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Chinese is blaming U.S. (way before the orange idiot said anything), by the way. Why haven't you linked any of that?
 
Stanthropical said:
Chinese is blaming U.S. (way before the orange idiot said anything), by the way. Why haven't you linked any of that?
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I have zero interest in justifying what I read and wether I think someone else might want to have a look, to you.
 
You're missing the point and it's unfortunate. Things can be kept organized, civil, relevant and everybody will stay happy. Everyone has been facilitated. When you bring passive-aggressive nonsense, irrelevancy and other drama to something that wasn't meant to host it, chaos will always ensue.
 
I've been trying to follow work with BCG vaccine (anti-tuberculous). It was first observed 100+ years ago that milkmaids didn't get TB, it's that one. Anyway, it's an attenuated "live" bovine strain of the TB bacteria, it's been know for awhile that is has enhanced immune response for a few foreign objects, other bacteria and parasites, etc. It is commonly given in developing countries and in areas where TB in dairy cattle is/was fairly common - like South Korea for instance. Epidemiologists noticed that SARS-CoV2 infection rates and deaths are 1/10th in countries with BCG vaccination programs (S. Korea, Singapore, India, Ireland, etc) compared to elsewhere (USA, Italy, etc) It's not clear to me where they placed countries that no longer have mandatory programs, and there is uncertainty if BCG effects are life long or not. Waiting to see the published results. Anyway, there is a blind controlled study underway going up to 4000 front line medical workers in Australia and, I heard, one proposed at Mass General in Boston. It's not making news as much in the US press, here's one from Ireland (mind you, "Striking" which is used in the article isn't exactly a medical/science term)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/hea...cine-might-protect-against-covid-19-1.4222110

edit: there is also the preprint for the preliminary study (not the latest one mentioned above, which I can't find yet)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf+html

Edit again: There is plenty of reason to think the correlation found has many explanations including the fact that the data was taken at a point in time when nations were at different points after the first COVID case identified, other factors such as ability to test, etc. Also, correlation does not indicate causation, ever. Given the world's situation, I think it is a good enough case to launch studies, which are being done.

Here is a good write-up reacting to the preprint - I'm sure the peer review will raise similar points, we'll see what gets accepted for print:
https://naturemicrobiologycommunity...inst-covid-19-critique-of-an-ecological-study
 
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COVID-19 is now the second leading cause of death in the USA, surpassing cancer and just under heart disease. And, that is with the social distancing practices and 20 million people having filed for unemployment. The chart compares the normalized death rate (weekly deaths per million population). The chart compares the death rate with other conditions and causes that have been tossed around for comparison in the general conversation. Hopefully, the rate will start dropping with the mitigation measures getting ahead of the spread.

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MuchAdo said:
COVID-19 is now the second leading cause of death in the USA, surpassing cancer and just under heart disease. And, that is with the social distancing practices and 20 million people having filed for unemployment. The chart compares the normalized death rate (weekly deaths per million population). The chart compares the death rate with other conditions and causes that have been tossed around for comparison in the general conversation. Hopefully, the rate will start dropping with the mitigation measures getting ahead of the spread.

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Here in Germany, we are going to unlock some from next week on. Shops (less than 800m²) can reopen. Schools going to open. How and who must each state decide for themselves. Let's see if it's works out.
To the US I just can repeat what I said weeks ago. You came late to the party, and had time to look at Europe to avoid making the same mistakes we made. But the Ubervirologist and Mango Musolini in charge knows better.......
 
Frankey said:
Here in Germany, we are going to unlock some from next week on. Shops (less than 800m²) can reopen. Schools going to open. How and who must each state decide for themselves. Let's see if it's works out.
To the US I just can repeat what I said weeks ago. You came late to the party, and had time to look at Europe to avoid making the same mistakes we made. But the Ubervirologist and Mango Musolini in charge knows better.......
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You all did get ahead of it, and the best to you - I hope things work out. We are still not able to test and contact trace very well. In my community, we shutdown fairly quick and we haven't been particularly hard hit. The down side is there still isn't testing capacity, so it has to go to the harder hit places - here you can't get tested unless you are symptomatic and being hospitalized. We won't be able to open up without being able to test and contact trace better than we can.
 
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