The extreme left and Socialism

[LilithX]

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[SexyAsianBitch]

The quote is unproven. Nobody knows if he said it or not. I am guessing he did not say it because he would believe in Marxist socialism which believes free market democracy is set to fail to begin with.

Why would someone try to push socialism on a government style they already believe will be a failure?

Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater saw "creeping socialism" in every piece of progressive legislation. The new deal? Socialism. Social security? Socialism.

This quote was in the 1962 version of The New Republic

“We have searched the Legislative Reference Service files, checked all the standard reference works on quotations by Khrushchev, and consulted with the Slavic division of the Library of Congress, the Department of State, and the US Information Agency, in an attempt to determine the authenticity of this quotation. From none of these sources were we able to produce evidence that Khrushchev actually made such a statement.”

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

You’re only argument is whether that individual was the one to say it, ok. Congratulations.

No my argument is that there are multiple sources to say the quote was either not said by who you are saying said it or said by someone completely different or more then likely completely fabricated. This is basic propoganda, bad propoganda but still propoganda.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...united-nations-general-assembly-idUSKBN22N25D

https://greensboro.com/townnews/pol...cle_e6c0f36c-73d6-11e3-9efc-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

The are several very similar proven quotes from him, but let’s take the individual who said these quotes out of the picture. The rest of the argument stands and is true.

What argument is that? You titled this extreme left and socialism but your first post is 110 percent communism. It has China written all over it

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

Any government can lead to any other form of government. You are confusing socialism and communism. Those two are not the same

 

[Athletic_fit]

Just sharing some food for thought....
Reminder of what Khrushchev said 60 years ago...."Your children's children will live under communism. You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright; but, we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not have to fight you. We will so weaken your economy, until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands. The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" It was September 29, 1959, when Nikita Khrushchev delivered his prediction for America at the United Nations. Remember the television coverage of him banging his shoe on the podium? At that time, just the word "communism" was feared throughout our nation. Remember this. Socialism leads to Communism How do you create a Socialist State? There are eight levels of control:
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government . That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
6) Education - Take control of what people read, listen to and take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.
8)Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the rich with the support of the poor.
WE ARE THERE!
Why can people not see what's going on in this country? Are people really that blind?
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Spot on. 1 through 8.

 

[GamerGirl92]

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people

Sort of. America isnt even close to this though. We have government run healthcare and its shit. We have privately owned healthcare, which is better, but is too expensive for most people in this country. Having free, or mostly free, healthcare for everyone would be an improvement, especially for those who cant afford healthcare with the way that it is.

2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.

Youre the one who thinks Welfare and government run Healthcare is bad and you want to complain about poverty?

4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government . That way you are able to create a police state.

Gun control is not the same thing as removing guns from the country. Huge difference there. The fact that youre trying to merge the two just shows that you dont care about the real issue and youre just fear mongering.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.

While welfare is a great system to those who actually need it, it needs to be improved. If youre saying we need to take away Welfare, then youre asking for starving children, more deaths, and an increase in homelessness.

6) Education - Take control of what people read, listen to and take control of what children learn in school.

Education has been been up to the government for 1000s of years. Even before America was founded, there were government run schools. This isnt a new thing. If you dont want your kids to go to a public or private school, then home-school them yourself. Literally nothing is stopping you.

7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.

We dont need a belief in some made up deity to know right from wrong. Religion just spreads hate and ignorance, its not needed or wanted in schools.

8)Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the rich with the support of the poor.WE ARE THERE!

The middle class is not going away. We are NOT there. Again, just more fear mongering.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

We dont need a belief in some made up deity to know right from wrong. Religion just spreads hate and ignorance, its not needed or wanted in schools

Morals came from the heart of religion. Things like rape, incestuous behavior, bestiality, theft, adultery
-Were actions that became punishable and forbidden, through religion.
Religion has/ had a huge role in shaping people into believing right versus wrong.

It was under pagan worshipping such as the Egyptians, where things like human sacrificing, orgies, incestual royal marriages, (Even the Pharoah marrying his own sister), cruel slavery, necrophilia, etc are known parts of history.


And nobody needs to turn around and say something like "oh but the Bible talks about stoning people to death for punishment"

"If" you are someone who supports the death penalty today, argument is invalid. Tomato/tomahto

 

[GamerGirl92]

Your responses are totally dissecting the post and interpreting it the way you want in order to build an argument against it.

You listed 8 points, im responding to the 8 points.

People on both sides use the term “fear mongering” in place of a factual argument.

I never said they didnt.

It’s not fear mongering, it’s being aware of the bullshit behind the scenes.

Equating one thing to a completely different thing to make it seem like a much bigger issue than it really is is fear mongering. Gun control is not the end of the world. Gun control is a reasonable request. Youre equating gun control to a police state.

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

You are wrong to assume that you know how much I know about the two. I am not confusing anything, I’m aware of the small differences. Your argument is taking away from the larger argument. I’m not arguing the minor differences between communism and socialism.

Then what exactly are you arguing? As I mentioned before your first post and the title are about two different things. This is not assuming, this is pure observation.

So let's say you are against socialism and communism: why are you against those two forms of government? What form(s) of government do you prefer? If you are against socialism are you against socialist programs? What exactly are you arguing?

 

[GamerGirl92]

Morals came from the heart of religion. Things like rape, incestuous behavior, bestiality, theft, adultery
-Were actions that became punishable and forbidden, through religion.
Religion has/ had a huge role in shaping people into believing right versus wrong.

It was under pagan worshipping such as the Egyptians, where things like human sacrificing, orgies, incestual royal marriages, (Even the Pharoah marrying his own sister), cruel slavery, necrophilia, etc are known parts of history.


And nobody needs to turn around and say something like "oh but the Bible talks about stoning people to death for punishment"

"If" you are someone who supports the death penalty today, argument is invalid. Tomato/tomahto

To some extent sure. But even modern religions, like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all support most of those things. Christianity and Judaism is full of human sacrifice, especially in the Old Testament. Slavery is in the bible and is even condoned by the Bible and by God. It tells you how much to pay for slaves,who can be slaves, how to beat them, and how to punish them. Maybe of the things that the Pagans practiced were rewritten and reworked in the Bible

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

Christianity and Judaism is full of human sacrifice, especially in the Old Testament. Slavery is in the bible and is even condoned by the Bible and by God

That isn't accurate. The Bible is symbolism.
There was one account of Abraham being tested to offer up his son Isaac. In reality that was a prophetic (future) symbolism of Jesus as the only Son, giving his life.

LOL No. Slavery wasn't condoned and instituted.
Firstly the Bible was written in Hebrew then translated. In the original context, the Hebrew words used for "slaves" was nothing more than people who were of "lower social class"

Our equivalent of hiring maids, farmers, and landscapers to work for us

However there was "debt slavery". When people owed large amounts of money to someone that they couldnt repay
The person became a labor slave to repay his debts

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

@GamerGirl92
I guess one of the things Im tryin to say is
As a "normal" person in society it's easy to say that help isn't needed to guide, mold, or shape human nature.
But you can't judge all of society as normal

I think as a moderator you know what kind of shitty humans exist. Sadly they are part of society. And they feel there is no wrong

And guess what..these people reproduce

 

[tomjazzy]

Yeah! If we allow even a little bit of socialism into our government, will become a totalitarian hell hole, like Canada! And there anti Jesus! Without the moral guidance of the Old Testament, how will we maintain freedom of religion? Now let’s increase military spending by a couple billion, it won’t be dangerous in the case of authoritarianism, because we’ll have AR-15s.

 

[tomjazzy]

That isn't accurate. The Bible is symbolism.
There was one account of Abraham being tested to offer up his son Isaac. In reality that was a prophetic (future) symbolism of Jesus as the only Son, giving his life.

LOL No. Slavery wasn't condoned and instituted.
Firstly the Bible was written in Hebrew then translated. In the original context, the Hebrew words used for "slaves" was nothing more than people who were of "lower social class"

Our equivalent of hiring maids, farmers, and landscapers to work for us

However there was "debt slavery". When people owed large amounts of money to someone that they couldnt repay
The person became a labor slave to repay his debts

So it was the good kind of slavery.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

So it was the good kind of slavery.

LOL
You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink

There are so many misconceptions and misinterpretations simply because people have no interest in hearing otherwise
*shrugs*

I guess every immigr.ant hired for cheap labor, is also a slave, by this logic

This is why I stay away from politics with people through the internet. The way words are twisted to be what you want it to be is exhausting and I have no interest in arguing with people

This
And then on to the #drama section. LOL

I intended on maybe less fcn time for awhile. Shouldn't have replied to this

 

[tomjazzy]

This is why I stay away from politics with people through the internet. The way words are twisted to be what you want it to be is exhausting and I have no interest in arguing with people.

You just posted on a politics page, stop acting like your surprised I brought up political critique. Until you can tell me how I missrepsented you, I’m not going to take this seriously,

 

[GamerGirl92]

So it was the good kind of slavery.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,

Titus 2:9-10
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Exodus 21:1-36
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...

 

[Athletic_fit]

You just posted on a politics page, stop acting like your surprised I brought up political critique. Until you can tell me how I missrepsented you, I’m not going to take this seriously,

I don't think she was surprised, as much as she wasn't interested in having a high-volume, low-production conversation. I dont blame her for that. Some things these days are just even hard to have a normal convo about without people going off the rails alot of times.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,

Titus 2:9-10
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Exodus 21:1-36
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...

You are quoting text that was written in Hebrew Arabic or Greek. As I said before. Meanings change with translations. And you do realize Exodus was written probably idk 3,500 yrs ago? Do you think context of words has remained the same for 3,500 years and across language barriers. Also the fact that Paul wrote Titus. Paul referred to his own self as a slave/servant to Jesus. (Google them)
Clearly he wasn't in literal slavery/bondage. You cannot take all context of the bible literally.

The word gay had a whole other meaning in the past too. So if I read a diary from 1780 that says "I feel so gay", am I to assume they were homosexual?