Palestine or Israel

YourFavBBC

YourFavBBC

Member
FCN Regular
Israel, an occupying state, suffered an attack from hamas on october 7th, and ever since then been enacting a genocidal regime on the citizens of Gaza under the guise of "self defense". fully backed by the US and other western nations, it has killed over 20,000 citizens half of whom are Children. every second of this conflict is being fully documented online and it has spurred a rising tide of support for Palestine among the younger generations. Millions have protested towards a permanent ceasefire around the world. So i ask you dear reader. If you support Israel. Why?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas
https://www.ajc.org/news/setting-th...f-gazas-hospitals-and-israels-efforts-to-help
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...zas-al-shifa-hospital-hold/story?id=104887035

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/
https://www.jns.org/white-house-hamas-violates-international-law-by-using-hospitals-as-bases/
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/14/us-intelligence-hamas-hospitals-military-israel-john-kirby
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/30/10-things-to-know-about-hamas-and-hospitals/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-photos-hamas-gaza-weapons-un-facilities-including-schools/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/invest...orists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310
https://unwatch.org/item-7/claim/claim-35-israel-targeted-schools-and-hospitals/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ield-and-why-is-israel-using-the-term-in-gaza

How much of this are you aware of?
 
To be honest I can't pick a side. I understand Israel wanting to retalliate. But at the same time people in Gaza are living in conditions similar to what jews had to endure in Warsaw during WW2, so I understand them lashing out to Israel (No I don't condone them doing so). This conflict only has losing side I think.
 
thanks for sharing. and yes im aware. i even read those articles top to bottom right now and skimmed the last 3. Notice how those articles base their sources off of IDF and US intelligence. The two occupying forces against Gaza. (Yes US troops arent in Gaza but those bombs dropped on children are courtesy of your American tax dollars). and to say the news coverage of the conflict is one sided is an understatement. The US and IDF have been caught blatantly lying countless times. https://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-israels-history-of-spreading-disinformation for more on that. Not to mention Israel spends Billions on propaganda and lobbying, search up Aipac. You can not trust the mainstream media they have an obvious agenda when it comes to geopolitics coverage they lose all credibility due to their white supremacist semantics. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...israels-war-on-gaza-bias-or-unprofessionalism. There was never a hamas base of operation under the hospital. Researching about this requires you to look past the lip service and look at the facts, numbers, and videos https://www.instagram.com/eye.on.palestine/ (pls check this out) . 20,000+ palestinians have been killed. 1400+ israelis have been killed. This isnt a war. Gaza isnt even a country its a 141 sqmi territory which is blockaded by israel, packed with 2 million Palestinians half of whom are children. And contrary to mainstream media these aren't human animals, theyve treated their hostages better than israel. It really isnt that complicated, no occupying state should be allowed to commit war crimes against an indigenous population and say that they are the victims. I hope this clears things up for you.
 
Don't skim the last thread. Read them fully. It's the reality. It doesn't matter who reports what and how. It isn't difficult to interpret information and facts, regardless of how rhetoric is fetched, unless if you're very young.

Clears things up for whom? For those you personally consider to be incorrect? Based on what?

Various groups and regions were constantly attempting to wipe Jews off the face of the planet for centuries. The state is only protecting itself from threat of extinction and constant bombardment, including terrorism.

Israel doesn't venture into Palestine to randomly blow up coffee shops and busses full of people going to work or aimlessly launch artillery into opposing land to instill fear.

Would it be a fair conflict if both sides lost an equal amount of human lives?
 
i cleared things up for you with credible facts and articles not because i say they're credible but because they dont have a history of lying to their audience only to retract it once they get exposed, unlike the IDF who have built a reputation of deception and manipulation. and dont you dare weaponize jewish trauma to justify the injustice the IDF is committing against Palestinians. Every Palestinian protest ive been to was co-led by a jewish youth group. Read that again. Zionism does not equal Judaism. Zionism is a white supremacist movement.
 
Stanthropical said:
Don't skim the last thread. Read them fully. It's the reality. It doesn't matter who reports what and how. It isn't difficult to interpret information and facts, regardless of how rhetoric is fetched, unless if you're very young.

Clears things up for whom? For those you personally consider to be incorrect? Based on what?

Various groups and regions were constantly attempting to wipe Jews off the face of the planet for centuries. The state is only protecting itself from threat of extinction and constant bombardment, including terrorism.

Israel doesn't venture into Palestine to randomly blow up coffee shops and busses full of people going to work or aimlessly launch artillery into opposing land to instill fear.

Would it be a fair conflict if both sides lost an equal amount of human lives?
Click to expand...

and to say Israel doesn't venture into gaza to blow up random coffee shops, you're right israel does worse. They blow up entire blocks. Did you know Israel has an AI for the sole purpose of locating the most densely packed residential buildings to maximize civilian casualties?
 
YourFavBBC said:
and to say Israel doesn't venture into gaza to blow up random coffee shops, you're right israel does worse. They blow up entire blocks. Did you know Israel has an AI for the sole purpose of locating the most densely packed residential buildings to maximize civilian casualties?
Click to expand...

You're incorrect. Actually read some of the links I provided you with.
 
Stanthropical said:
"weaponize jewish trauma"

Various groups and regions were constantly attempting to wipe Jews off the face of the planet for centuries. A lot of people are misinformed and misled--especially young ones.
Click to expand...
Stanthropical said:
"weaponize jewish trauma"

Various groups and regions were constantly attempting to wipe Jews off the face of the planet for centuries. A lot of people are misinformed and misled--especially young ones.
Click to expand...
I quoted that from a jewish source who sees israel for what it is. A violent colonial settlement. Israel has been violent since its inception. They were born from the expulsion of Palestinians from their home lands and have persecuted them ever since. How can you justify that?
 
You're ignoring the entire history, things they went through and the size of the group for some odd reason.
 
Stanthropical said:
You're incorrect. Actually read some of the links I provided you with.
Click to expand...
Brother you're telling me the 30,000 tons of explosions dropped on Gaza which has destroyed 45% of homes (without calculating the destruction from the past month) is false? Israel dropped white phosphorus (a lethal inhuman chemical that is considered a war crime) on citizen dense neighborhoods on purpose,It is clear as daylight that they are trying to ethnically cleanse the territory of as many Palestinians as possible. 7,000+ kids dont just die from being collateral damage. but you're too lost in the propaganda sauce to see it.
 
Stanthropical said:
You're ignoring the entire history, things they went through and the size of the group for some odd reason.
Click to expand...
The western leaders want you to believe Israel is the morally correct nation to side with because its what profits them, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I urge you to look deeper than western media outlets and look at on the ground facts and footage. If this was Ukraine being bombed to this extent by russia you wouldn't see the same silence shown when it's happening to arab people.
 
In war there is no morally correct nation. Both sides are doing what they feel is right but two wrongs do not make a right. When it comes to war one must be a few steps ahead of the opponent at the very least. Israel knows Hamas is too weak to completely destroy Israel. So Israel wants to keep fighting and eliminate Hamas as a way to help the Palestinian people. Is it the correct way of doing things? Not at all but it is an effective way of doing things. They are just trying to survive.

You say that Israel has been violent since it's inception but that is what you get when you have opposing religions fighting for land.

Imeu - pro Palestine

Al Jazeera has abeen accused of pushing Hamas propaganda, repeatedly broadcasting statements by Hamas' military and political leaders calling for a broader uprising and aligning themselves closely with Hamas' preferred language for the conflict

Eye on Palastine - pro Palestine accounts blocked on Meta and removed on X
 
There can be morally correct nations in war if what they're fighting for is freedom against oppression and they are maintaining the rules of war. Israel is not helping the Palestinians by destroying Hamas, they are wiping out entire families in Gaza thus creating more hamas soldiers in the future. Israel is the best hamas recruiter. If an Israeli settler wants your home in Palestine he can have it no questions asked and he is backed by the government. settlers and the IDF run a joint operation of raping, killing and, terrorizing the Palestinians because they view them as less than human. just 2 weeks ago 2 children were shot dead by idf snipers in the west bank. Why? hamas isnt even there? They've been fed colonialism propaganda in their schools and its spewed on the news. It is a violent apartheid state through and through. So until Israel as the oppressing state give Palestinians the rights and justice they deserve Palestinians will never stop fighting. if Israel stops fighting there wont be a war, if Palestinians stop fighting there wont be a Palestine.
Eye.On.Palastine was banned along with several other accounts spreading awareness about Palestine. This says a lot about social media the way they've been censoring this conflict but how they boosted and ignored their own guidelines when it came to Ukraine vs Russia.
 
Then why did Hamas initially attack in the first place? Hamas is completely different then Fatah. Hamas currently is fighting two wars, Israel on one front and Fatah on the other front. I strongly urge you to look at opposing viewpoints before posting, especially when you are talking about propoganda and have no opposing evidence to back up said propoganda
 
why would hamas attack israel? in the face of 75 years of oppression and injustice from israel while the world turns a blind eye, you wouldn't attack them yourself? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2023/10/11/analysis-why-did-hamas-attack-now-and-what-is-next. Ive posted supporting evidence in my second post, ive been reiterating the talking points of that post so i haven't reposted the evidence. btw why are you accusing me for not stating evidence when you havent shown any either. Ive spent hours on this one thread alone and its obviously not going to change your mind no matter what i say and how i prove it so at the end of the day can we just agree that Palestinians deserve rights like any other human being and that we should all advocate for a permanent ceasefire to put a stop to this genocide.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Trending content

Back
Top