i would like to discuss a ban

[hommedejoie]

I caught a ban. It surprised me. The ban message said "you can't say that here". Obviously it doesn't quote what I am supposed to have posted. Search up the ban appeal options and I decide to go with accepting the ban because I can't mount a defense against charges that don't specify what I posted.

Waited a while and started checking to see if the ban was over or not. What I got back was a shifting in the ban message to "please behave a little" and then "these kinds of words are not welcome here" and finally "you must be over 18 to use our chat". So does the ban message just change randomly and not have anything to do with the reason for banning?

Does the system count trying to log on to see if the ban has been lifted as a violation of the ban? That might match the "please behave a little" ban message. But the accusation that I am under 18 is really kind of left field.

 

[Stanthropical]

It sounds like you spammed something.

 

[hommedejoie]

I seriously doubt I spammed anything and shouldn't the ban notice specify spamming and do so consistently when I check to see if I if the ban has been lifted? None of the ones I have seen and taken a screen shot of do mention spam, but the fact that they do vary is disturbing as that shows that they are not tied to an actual offense.
Does trying to login count against me? It is the only way that I know to see if the ban has expired - am I wrong in that and FCN will generate an email to specifically tell me that my sentence is finished?

 

[Stanthropical]

Anti-spam system monitors for spam. http://www.freechatnow.com/rules

https://www.freechatnow.com/legal/terms-of-use

 

[hommedejoie]

Yes, I am aware that FCN uses automated anti-spam software. The reason given in the ban notice has never included spamming the site and I have seen other posts that specifically included that as the reason for a ban in the notice so the system does have that capability. I am sure that I did nothing to trigger a ban for spamming. Any other ideas on why does the system generate false reasons for a ban (accusing me of being a minor for instance)? Why does the reason in the ban notice change at all?

If support staff don't know why the system has done these things I would like that acknowledged and that they are looking into it and getting my ban resolved. If they need the screenshots of the ban notices I would be happy to post them but I can't fathom that the system doesn't record its own responses.

Sincerely,
Hommedejoie

 

[Stanthropical]

No one on any privately run website needs to give you any reason for its actions against your when you KNOW you did something against the TOU. If you continue spamming outside services or spam websites, the anti-spam system will continue enforcing the rules.

With the other ban message, you likely ran into someone else's ban or your content was too confusing as to whether you were pretending to be a minor or seeking a minor.

 

[hommedejoie]

I don't know that I did do anything that violates the TOU. And I said so when I signed off on taking the ban that indicated I had used a word(s) that are not permitted. It seemed the better choice since I would not have been able to fill in the details demanded by fighting a ban that came with no specifics of what I was accused of. I am trusting the site and it's support staff to be correct. At this point I am concerned that my trust was misplaced and that the ban is an error.

This starts with a ban for saying something but I don't know what. Now I don't know if I can rely on that initial information since your stance seems to be that the private company has no obligation to be truthful in such matters. Not being forthcoming with reasons for a ban is certainly not being truthful.

Between 10-12 and 10-22 I have seen four different ban messages and none of them was for spamming. It is ridiculous for you to bring spamming the site up if the system itself isn't going to acknowledge it. As for the speculation on your part that I was seeking or representing myself as being underage I will point out that I have contacted moderators several times with screenshots of just such behaviour by others. I am not interested in such myself. I am not at all sure how I 'run into someone else's ban' but it prompts me to ask if I am receiving multiple bans for some reason not connected with the original ban. If that is not the case why have I received different notices at all?

 

[Stanthropical]

No one on any privately run website needs to give you any reason for its actions against your when you KNOW you did something against the TOU. If you continue spamming outside services or spam websites, the anti-spam system will continue enforcing the rules.

With the other ban message, you likely ran into someone else's ban or your content was too confusing as to whether you were pretending to be a minor or seeking a minor.

 

[hommedejoie]

Oh we get to go into overtime.

This morning I found that I had been granted access to the site. At ~7:22AM I get a notice that I am kicked from the network for "ban evasion". Upon trying to reconnect I get a message that I am now banned for 'ban evasion'.

So can you divulge what is supposed to happen when a ban is over? Do I get some kind of notice - an email perhaps?

If I am banned for any cause why would your system let me get back on the site? How am I supposed to know that I am not allowed to do that - if indeed I am not allowed to until some other message is sent to me?

How can I be evading a ban when the system no longer recognizes me as being banned?

 

[Stanthropical]

No idea. There are 2,000 - 3,000 users at any given moment, 24/7 and over 100,000 unique users every week through just one of the busiest chat rooms. There's constant bans and no one will remember your ban.

We are yet to seen your ban screenshot and you haven't filed a ban appeal through the Ban Appeal form. Additionally, there's no ban record for your username.

https://www.freechatnow.com/forum/forums/ban-appeal/

 

[hommedejoie]

Alrighty - I have a ban appeal in for the Ban Evasion.

I am intrigued by the statement that "there's no ban record for your username".

Can you unpack that? Specifically does a ban record stay in the system after a ban is repealed? If so where did my ban record go to for the ban that was -variously - writing a forbidden word, misbehaving, being under 18? At the time you wrote that I was banned a second time for "Ban Evasion". Why would there be no record attached to my username of a ban that I was currently (and still am) experiencing?

I am going to load the ban screenshots so you can see them just in case the reality of my account being banned at all was in question. I am missing the first one for using words forbidden on FCN but a similar one is included that cropped up later. SO would a ban record enumerate the reasons for a ban? What counts as ban evasion? When I had found that I had access to the site again it was not through using a guest account, VPN, or using a different device with a different IP address.

Thank you for the insight you have bestowed on this set of incidents so far.

 

[hommedejoie]

And I have made an Appeal for the ban for being a minor that I received about 8:02AM EDT on the 26th of October. So is there a ban record for my username now? Does that record include whether the ban was enacted by the system or that there was a complaint? Not fishing for who would have made a complaint just trying to understand what is going on. At this point it does have the feel of sadistic gaslighting.

When you write concerning the possible reasons for bans "or your content was too confusing as to whether you were pretending to be a minor or seeking a minor." I would like to know if the system uses the same ban image for the accusation that a person is a minor that is does for seeking a minor. It wouldn't make sense to me that the system would be set up to do that as those are two very different things.

 

[hommedejoie]

Since the last ban I have caught two more. From my ban appeal:
10-29-23 7:29 EDT banned again no reason given “Your account or client is banned (573c48c3)”

I was on at 3:18 pm EDT, dropped into several chat rooms and made one comment in the main of Sex Chat 2 or Sex Chat 3 “I am back from Ban-Land Baby!”


Next time I tried to sign in I am banned with a ban that gives no reason for the ban. Image loaded below. I seriously doubt that my single comment was worthy of the automated systems attention. But the usual questions apply - is there a ban record and can I see it? How do I know if a ban appeal was accepted? Just regaining access doesn't tell me that I was found to be in the right and there was a mistake. Have any of my appeals actually been logged or are they disappearing into the aether? I can't be sure but there seems to have been no reinstatement of chat privileges before another ban was issued. This time for 'seeking illegal content'. Which is hilarious because I have not had the access to do any seeking. Off to appeal that one now.

 

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