Advice and Opinion Is it cheating.....

GEternus

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Is it cheating if your wife/husband just stops having sex?

I mean at some point, you have to make a call. The longer you are married, the harder it is to divorce. Kids, finances, houses, retirement, etc.

This being the case....Should a spouse expect sexual loyalty and for the other to go without?

Your thoughts are appreciated. Let's discuss.
 
Cheating means many things,but I think not having sex with a spouse is not cheating. Not nice but not cheating. Cheating can happen without sex though.
 
Cheating means many things,but I think not having sex with a spouse is not cheating. Not nice but not cheating. Cheating can happen without sex though.

The irony is that courts of law don't see it that way. I'm just wondering how many men have dealt with this and how they handled the situation.
 
As a single woman, I hear this tale quite often or some variation of it.
In the last two years, I have dated two divorced men and both quoted the reason for the marriage failure as the slow death and subsequent end of sexual relations between himself and his wife. As to why this is so common, I have no real idea. If the ex-wife was a treated as well as both of these divorced gentleman treated me, she was a fool to let him go after all the effort of the courtship and marriage. It does however reinforce my determination to remain single and a spinster to the grave.

Ls x
 
I applaud your desire to retain your single status. From the stand point of someone 25+ years into a marriage, it seems the more sensible road.

As a woman, if you did marry and were in a similar situation, would you seek out a new lover? Would you consider it cheating if your needs were not being met?

Also, you mentioned dating divorced men, would you have considered sex with either man if he was still married? Would his marital status have hindered your feelings of romance? If so, why?
 
I've never had any desire towards marriage so all my opinions are second-hand based on what others have told me.
I've always found the best time for any new couple is the first six months they are together. Everyone is on the best behaviour. They try to be the best they can be, polite, spontaneous, and there is the excitement of 'new' to bolster everything along nicely. So, to me that's the ideal time to separate, at six months, while its on a high and you can walk away with nothing but the best of memories.
Married men work for some women because they know they are safe and they won't have to deal with anything but the extra-marital sex.
Personally, I think its just buying trouble to consider married men, especially when there are so many single/divorced ones around.

Ls x
 
I've never had any desire towards marriage so all my opinions are second-hand based on what others have told me.
I've always found the best time for any new couple is the first six months they are together. Everyone is on the best behaviour. They try to be the best they can be, polite, spontaneous, and there is the excitement of 'new' to bolster everything along nicely. So, to me that's the ideal time to separate, at six months, while its on a high and you can walk away with nothing but the best of memories.
Married men work for some women because they know they are safe and they won't have to deal with anything but the extra-marital sex.
Personally, I think its just buying trouble to consider married men, especially when there are so many single/divorced ones around.

Ls x
I couldn't agree with your summation more. The first 6 months to 1 year is the BEST. It is after that point that the facade begins to fall away. I encourage you to stay your course, live your life as you see fit and experience as much as you can.

I understand your position on married men. They/We are a lot of trouble especially if you are single and have a plethora of options. That said, however, I think that for a career focused woman, a married woman (who may also be in a sexless relationship), or someone looking for a purely sexual relationship....married men might be a good option. Most of the married men I know have built a families (and have no desire to expand them), don't want to impact their lovers lives beyond the time they spend together and are looking to maximize the "FUN" of a new relationship. Think of it as an endless 1st 6 months until one of you ends it. No harm, no foul, just FUN and everyone goes about with their lives. I mean, perhaps I have a skewed view, but I think an affair could be a most exciting and enjoyable situation.

Never, ever, discount the additional thrill of doing something outside of social norms!
 
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How is it "cheating" if one spouse stops having sex? Cheatung involves the presence of another person or persons into an existing relationship. Merely not having sex doesn't mean either one is cheating.
 
How is it "cheating" if one spouse stops having sex? Cheatung involves the presence of another person or persons into an existing relationship. Merely not having sex doesn't mean either one is cheating.
I apologize, but I think you misunderstood. The scenario is...you are married, your spouse decides to stop having sex with you, and you go have sex with another person. Is that cheating?
 
I apologize, but I think you misunderstood. The scenario is...you are married, your spouse decides to stop having sex with you, and you go have sex with another person. Is that cheating?

Your post was not worded properly. That's also how @emptynestcpl understood your post.

I have thought extensively about cheating and have more than a few observations.

There are two kinds of cheaters:
1. The circumstance-driven cheater
2. The serial cheater

There are distinct differences in both types. The circumstance-driven cheater is not someone who actively seeks to have sex with others. Regardless of whether they have a high sex drive, crave intimacy, feel sexually deprived, these people deny multiple opportunities for sexual encounters that present themselves. Perhaps their partner is physically incapable of sex, or have bad mental health.They have done everything they can think of to save their relationship. It takes many months or years for them to give in and they are typically aware of being in the wrong and they experience guilt, no matter how faint or heavy it is. These people do not look for sex from many people. They typically focus on just one person for a longer period of time than the serial cheater. In general they respect the person they are now having sex with, instead of seeing them just as a cock or pussy. Their desire for sex often comes with a desire for emotional intimacy, which their current relationship now lacks.

The serial cheater is the opposite of all the above. They have no regard for others and seek to find their pleasure first and foremost. They believe they are entitled to sex and if they aren't receiving it or not receiving it to the degree they want it in the current relationship, then in their mind they are excused. After all, their needs come before everyone else and their focus is on fucking and orgasming. Emotional intimacy is a far second. A serial cheater takes many partners, whether simultaneously or in a string, and they feel no remorse.

Whichever type of cheater a person is, the fact of the matter is : cheating is cheating, whatever the shape or form it takes. What determines it as being "wrong" or not, depends on the context that a relationship was founded upon. If a couple established that they expect fidelity until the end of the relationship, then in that case, it's clear. One partner cheating on the other for whatever reason, is in the wrong. If a couple decided that they are in an open relationship, don't care if the other has sex outside of that relationship, then there is no cheating. No wrong has been committed.

Now, coming back to the two kinds of cheaters - assuming both types are in a relationship where fidelity is expected on both sides - then the one who cheats because of their circumstances can be understood (Type 1 that I outlined above). The desire for companionship, an all encompassing companionship that feeds their emotions and bodies, is what human beings seek and need. Does that mean it isn't cheating? No, it still is cheating. Does that mean they are bad people? No, it doesn't. Can we understand why that's happening? Yes, easily. Should they be forgiven? That's not up to anyone to decide, only up to their partner should that person discover it or be told about it. As for the serial cheater, yes they are definitely in the wrong. This person has not bothered to save their relationship, all they want is sex.
 
Thank you for your response. OK, I guess it is a given that in both scenarios it is cheating. That said, it seems to me to be more justified in one case versus the other.

In the case of the serial cheater, while I personally don't identify with the hopping from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap radio, I wish I had developed more of that attitude. What I mean is although they may be emotionally shallow, at least they are getting to actually have sex AND have figured out a way to avoid the guilt and shame of the circumstantial cheater.

I personally identify more with the circumstantial cheater. After 25+ years of faithful marriage, my wife has decided that sex isn't a priority. So, here is your choice, spend the rest of your life without physical intimacy and connection OR destroy your family, relationships and retirement for seeking something you are biologically programmed to need. Then, even if you find a way to meet your physical needs, you get to live with the guilt and shame associated with your cheating. There just has to be a better way! In my mind, finding someone amenable to the situation, taking a short vacation and finding the physical connection I need allows me much more bandwidth to deal with the shame later. Believe it or not, in my scenario, it is much kinder and less destructive than kicking my 60 y/o wife out, showing alienation of affection as a cause and leaving both of us with half of what we have worked a lifetime to build.

Anyway, thank you again for your posting. It gave me much to think about and helped me sort out my intentions.
 
I wouldn't call it 'justified'. I would use the word 'understandable'. There is a slight but significant difference in this case. Justifying something means explaining it away as being right. Understanding is just that - being aware of the why; there is no right/wrong, no justification.

Your scenario is commonplace, sadly. Often times, it is the much kinder option to the spouse and/or the children, whether it be because of their age, mental/physical health, material posessions, etc. It is a sign of caring. Ironic, isn't it? Cheating and not breaking up because you care for someone, for your family. You actually consider the consequences of taking the decisive step that would upheave everyone's lives including yours.

I would, personally, not ever judge a circumstance-driven cheater. We all have the visceral need to feel cared for, and to be able to deeply care for someone else; to be someone else's "number one".

Attention. Companionship. Love. Sex. Everyone expresses those differently, but what I've observed is that for some people, physical affection and touch are what conveys acceptance and/or desire. Hence the longing to want sex outside of a sexless marriage. On the other hand, some people don't need/want sex (I think it is a a result of many things compounded. Regardless, it is so). Those individuals are content with that.

I'm sorry you are in that position. I would like to hope that somehow things change for the better for you both.
 
Thank you for your kind words and compassion. Short of you connecting me with a nice woman (age 48 to 60) in the Portland area, your response and sensitivity are all I could have wanted. Thank you.
 
Not knowing the ages in your scenario, it's common sense that at some point in the relationship, sex may stop for many reasons. Age, physical ability, libido, sexual dysfunction, emotional wellbeing, are you two still connected, and are both wanting sex?

There are those who use sex to wield power, and that is wrong. But, to say lack of intimacy with your partner is a reason to cheat? NO! NEVER! NO EXCUSE! You two need to seek help if it's a matter of you're ability to still connect emotionally to your partner. Common sense should tell you that sex is by nature used to procreate. Humans, and some in the animal kingdom use sex for pleasure. But, do you really think a woman wants it all throughout her life?

Look guys, you may be able to spread your seed until you drop dead of old age. But, a woman has her "clock" and after her time is up, there is no longer a need for her to have sex for procreation. Her body let's her know this, and I would think it's more a lack of interest in her hormones causing the lack of interest then thinking it's something on a mental level causing her to not want sex any longer.

If you're a long time married couple, look at the possible reasons for a lack of sexual connection with your partner. It may be something simple as mother nature saying times up! Instead of some plot to withhold sex out of some unfounded drama. JMO:cool:

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To me, a marriage is an exchange of vows before family, friends and witnesses.
A person is only as good as their word. Breaking your word tells the world that your words aren't worth spit.
Why make a promise that is simply a matter of convenience?
Some couples agree to an open-marriage but then its not cheating, its by mutual arrangement.
Everyone knows sex before marriage is real, but judging by the number of people cheating and having affairs, it begs the question, is there sex after marriage?

Its not a gamble I'm prepared to take so I'm staying single

So, my simple solution is, stay single. Singles can't cheat, its impossible and sex is always there when so desired.

Ls x
 
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