The extreme left and Socialism

[WomenRfromVenus]

Yall are being too dramatic about debt slavery
In modern times if you go and get a $10,000 loan from a finance company and don't pay.
They will take you to court.
If that Judge court orders you to pay. And you don't
Guess what. You go to jail

???

Also men in the US who don't pay their child support get sentenced to 180 days in jail
???

 

[Stanthropical]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/khrushchev-doses-of-socialism/

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[GamerGirl92]

You are quoting text that was written in Hebrew Arabic or Greek. As I said before. Meanings change with translations. And you do realize Exodus was written probably idk 3,500 yrs ago? Do you think context of words has remained the same for 3,500 years and across language barriers. Also the fact that Paul wrote Titus. Paul referred to his own self as a slave/servant to Jesus. (Google them)
Clearly he wasn't in literal slavery/bondage. You cannot take all context of the bible literally.

The word gay had a whole other meaning in the past too. So if I read a diary from 1780 that says "I feel so gay", am I to assume they were homosexual?

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. We dont need a book that was written thousands of years ago to teach us modern day morals. Things change, language changes, society changes.

Yall are being too dramatic about debt slavery
In modern times if you go and get a $10,000 loan from a finance company and don't pay.
They will take you to court.
If that Judge court orders you to pay. And you don't
Guess what. You go to jail

Yes but they arent allowed to beat me to near-death,give me a wife and children and then sell them once im 'free'.

Also men in the US who don't pay their child support get sentenced to 180 days in jail
???

Because theyre deadbeats. If youre not going to pay for the child that you created, then you deserve to be in jail

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. We dont need a book that was written thousands of years ago to teach us modern day morals. Things change, language changes, society changes.


Yes but they arent allowed to beat me to near-death,give me a wife and children and then sell them once im 'free'.


Because theyre deadbeats. If youre not going to pay for the child that you created, then you deserve to be in jail

Prison is throwing people into a CAGE with violent criminals
And they are controlled by the system forcefully in everyway. Maced, beaten, stripped naked and thrown into solitary confinement. If they don't comply with orders given to them.
Also taken away from their families.
And lots of prisoners also labor work for that same system

It's no more humane

 

[tomjazzy]

Prison is throwing people into a CAGE with violent criminals
And they are controlled by the system forcefully in everyway. Maced, beaten, stripped naked and thrown into solitary confinement. If they don't comply with orders given to them.
Also taken away from their families.
And lots of prisoners also labor work for that same system

It's no more humane

This is just gross what-aboutism. I’ve never heard anyone claim our legal system is the will of God.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

I’ve never heard anyone claim our legal system is the will of God.

Neither did I
Nice reaching with fabrication.


I don't see either of you bringing anything with substance and thats factual to the table.
Just emotional atheism and "last word syndrome"
I don't have time for that

And just so that Im being clear and no longer have to explain facts:
Debt slavery is not human trafficking

There would have been contracts in place from moneylenders and those borrowing.
The person signing the contract would have been aware of consequences for non payments.
-The debt was a choice-

Do I think it was the best approach? No
But people work with the resources they have

Do I think prison is humane? No
But there's no other alternative.

If you cannot see those facts without bias. It's just refusal to look at the situation without an atheist approach

 

[tomjazzy]

Neither did I
Nice reaching with fabrication.


I don't see either of you bringing anything with substance and thats factual to the table.
Just emotional atheism and "last word syndrome"
I don't have time for that

And just so that Im being clear and no longer have to explain facts:
Debt slavery is not human trafficking

There would have been contracts in place from moneylenders and those borrowing.
The person signing the contract would have been aware of consequences for non payments.
-The debt was a choice-

Do I think it was the best approach? No
But people work with the resources they have

Do I think prison is humane? No
But there's no other alternative.

If you cannot see those facts without bias. It's just refusal to look at the situation without an atheist approach

As I’ve already said, debt slavery was only for fellow Israelites. Deuteronomy 20:10-20 describes instructions to attack a city. If they surrendered, they were all to be enslaved. If they refused to surrender, they were to attack the city, enslave the woman and children, and kill every single man.

It’s pretty ironic you accuse me of “putting words in your mouth,” when you yourself just assume I’m an atheist, just because I reject the Bible as divinely inspired.

If you think there’s no alternative to our current legal system, I’d have to disagree. I say we deprivatize prison and enact/repeal laws to deregulate none violent drug offenses, as well as legalizing drug possession for private recreational use.

You know it’s funny. You claim I’m to “emotional” but you can’t seem to point out any flaws in my argument. Funny that.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

As I’ve already said, debt slavery was only for fellow Israelites

Where did you say that? Is there invisible material on this thread Im not seeing?

but you can’t seem to point out any flaws in my argument.

What arugment? What facts? What substantial debate?
You wasted my time by taggin me with these 2 quotes. Which were mere snarky retorts

So it was the good kind of slavery

This is just gross what-aboutism. I’ve never heard anyone claim our legal system is the will of God

I think you're a little confused about what you are/have posted on this thread lol

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

It’s pretty ironic you accuse me of “putting words in your mouth,” when you yourself just assume I’m an atheist

Im not preaching Christianity. I merely stated facts in the beginning: that all morals and ethics in society, have always been strongly influenced by religion. Which is fact

What people deem as evil vs good


It is everyone constantly posting misconceptions about the Bible that annoys me.

Like me trying to pretend I have knowledge in nuclear engineering, when in fact Im spewing nonsense

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

Deuteronomy 20:10-2

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:


So you quoted a part about war?
Exercising control over a defeated people was always customary, world wide.

I've yet to see any facts that the Bible condoned human trafficking

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

If you think there’s no alternative to our current legal system, I’d have to disagree. I say we deprivatize prison and enact/repeal laws to deregulate none violent drug offenses, as well as legalizing drug possession for private recreational use.

That sounds good and fancy. But firstly the system isn't full of weed smokers LOL
Secondly I gave a parallel comparison of men who didn't pay child support.
Pertaining to hard drugs, what is your alternative, if not prison, to punish people selling heroin and making meth labs?
Pertaining to child support what is your reform to enforce people to support their children?

Besides jail
How do you enforce people to obey the law?
What is the alternative?

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

just because I reject the Bible as divinely inspired.

Whether you want to accept how it was inspired or not. You are portraying to have knowledge of the bible.
But you quote a scripture about Israel exercising control over a defeated city as "slavery"

Are you not aware in the days of Jesus that Israel was under Roman rule?
And that a Roman governor sentenced him to death?

The Israelites weren't "slaves" to the Romans
But they were under their government

There's a drastic difference

 

[tomjazzy]

Decriminalize private use of all drugs, and establish resources for people to deal with addiction.

Decrease the sentence for drug dealing, and focus on providing opportunities to underprivileged communities so that people will be less likely to get into drug dealing in the first place.

 

[tomjazzy]

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:


So you quoted a part about war?
Exercising control over a defeated people was always customary, world wide.

I've yet to see any facts that the Bible condoned human trafficking

Your conflating occupation with slavery and the possible murder of innocent people.

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

Your conflating occupation with slavery and the possible murder of innocent people

No you are misinterpreting exercising governing control over a city (serve you), as slavery.
Again lack of knowledge brings misconceptions. And you are informing others of things that simply isn't true.

Dude I have no further remarks to make.
This will just be wrecked into Drama section or someone complaining of religion convo

I have given the actual facts of circumstances..not ill prepared opinion.
It's no longer in my control of what people believe.
Carry on however you want.
Im not beating my head against the wall. Or fallin on deaf ears

 

[tomjazzy]

No you are misinterpreting exercising governing control over a city (serve you), as slavery.
Again lack of knowledge brings misconceptions. And you are informing others of things that simply isn't true.

Dude I have no further remarks to make.
This will just be wrecked into Drama section or someone complaining of religion convo

I have given the actual facts of circumstances..not ill prepared opinion.
It's no longer in my control of what people believe.
Carry on however you want.
Im not beating my head against the wall. Or fallin on deaf ears

“10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced laborand shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.”
It literally says “forced labor” and describes taking people as “plunder.” Jesus Christ, can you fucking read?

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

Jesus Christ, can you fucking read?

Oh thats real cute
You do realize thats not even a King James Bible don't cha? LOL
No idea what translation you have conjured up

Find something better to drama about darlin
And debate about
Clearly the Bible isn't your strong suit.

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

New International Version
If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.

New Living Translation
If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.

English Standard Version
And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you.

Berean Study Bible
If they accept your offer of peace and open their gates, all the people there will become forced laborers to serve you.

New American Standard Bible
"If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.

New King James Version
And it shall be that if they accept your offer of peace, and open to you, then all the people who are found in it shall be placed under tribute to you, and serve you.

King James Bible
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

Christian Standard Bible
If it accepts your offer of peace and opens its gates to you, all the people found in it will become forced laborers for you and serve you.

Good News Translation
If they open the gates and surrender, they are all to become your slaves and do forced labor for you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
If it accepts your offer of peace and opens its gates to you, all the people found in it will become forced laborers for you and serve you.

International Standard Version
If it agrees to peace and welcomes you, then all the people found in it will serve you as forced laborers.

NET Bible
If it accepts your terms and submits to you, all the people found in it will become your slaves.

New Heart English Bible
It shall be, if it makes you answer of peace, and opens to you, then it shall be, that all the people who are found in it shall become tributary to you, and shall serve you.

A Faithful Version
And it shall be, if it makes the answer of peace and opens to you, then all the people found in it shall be forced laborers to you, and they shall serve you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
If they accept it and open [their gates] to you, then all the people there will be made to do forced labor and serve you.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that are found therein shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee.

New American Standard 1977
“And it shall come about, if it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then it shall be that all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.

King James 2000 Bible
And it shall be, if it makes to you an answer of peace, and opens unto you, then it shall be, that all the people that are found therein shall be subject unto you, and they shall serve you.

American King James Version
And it shall be, if it make you answer of peace, and open to you, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries to you, and they shall serve you.

American Standard Version
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that are found therein shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
If then they should answer peaceably to thee, and open to thee, it shall be that all the people found in it shall be tributary and subject to thee.

Douay-Rheims Bible
If they receive it, and open the gates to thee, all the people that are therein, shall be saved, and shall serve thee paying tribute.

Darby Bible Translation
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then all the people that are found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

English Revised Version
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee.

Webster's Bible Translation
And it shall be, if it shall make thee answer of peace, and open to thee, then it shall be, that all the people that are found therein, shall be tributaries to thee, and they shall serve thee.

World English Bible
It shall be, if it makes you answer of peace, and opens to you, then it shall be, that all the people who are found therein shall become tributary to you, and shall serve you.

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20-11.htm

 

[WomenRfromVenus]

shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

Original King James Text says tribute and serve. Nothing more

The indoctrination of The Bible's institution of slavery was propaganda that American slave owners used to justify owning African slaves.
That information has continued to be regurgitated.through the generations. And original biblical texts such as this:



Was taken out of the orignal KJV bible and kept hidden from the slaves.
The Bible didn't institute human trafficking
People did, and wanted justification to do so.

Here's an unbias opinion from #History

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/slave-bible-redacted-old-testament

Time Magazine and Washington Post also have articles I havnt fully read

 

[tomjazzy]

Oh thats real cute
You do realize thats not even a King James Bible don't cha? LOL
No idea what translation you have conjured up

Find something better to drama about darlin
And debate about
Clearly the Bible isn't your strong suit.

So apparently you can’t read. I’m talking to an ape bashing out letters on a keyboard. I seriously hope your not one of those idiot fundamentalist who think only KJV translation is valid.