If you think that anything provided to you by a government is better ; then you my friend have learned nothing about my argument at all !! Not only is it not better ; it is more costly and always will be !!
Then explain to me how your medical system is better than mine? An overview of mine. Part of our tax system is called National Insurance and it does towards benefits, pension and the NHS. It's a percentage of your wage. It's been there since before the NHS was founded. You only pay if you work. Everyone benefits from it. Never worked a day in your life? You benefit from it. You are the sole income on minimum wage with 10 kids, you still on pay a small amount and everyone benefits from it. You're a child and you need a surgeon? No cost extra cost. Same with the elderly. Lost your job? Still free! After care such as physiotherapy? On the NHS! Xrays? Chemo? You name it. On the NHS. The only thing I pay for comes out of my wage before I see it. Its small payment for a system that will eventually will pay me back in kind. If that makes us socialist then fuck it, socialist and proud. So how much have your medical premiums cost you or your company again?
Well first of all i pay for all of my medical needs through private providers and i also pay for others medical needs though Oba.ma care . Why should i be taxed for a service i do not use ? Oba.ma Care costs are sky rocketing out of control . And when then decide to limit your medical care ; how does that make it better ?
So the Affordable Healthcare Act was half of our system and half of your system? Genuine question that. I don't know about you but my medical care isn't limited. It never will be. I'm entitled to full treatment. The most I pay is 7 pound for medication in aftercare. I'm lucky enough to receive Private Health Care through the company I work for but have absolutely zero use for it. The only benefit it offers is I can jump the que should I need anything doing.
You may have full entitlement now ; but what happens as you get older and the government decides to change and limits your medical coverage ? Now remember you gave them that power to make medical decisions for you . They may choose not to pay for curtain medical needs then . So then what will you do ? To say it will never happen is a chance i choose not to risk and is a foolish way to think !!
He isn't giving you the whole story of course. Before Oba.ma care we had and still have social security which we all pay into as well as Medicaid and Medicare. Supposed to work like this : the money you put in is yours for retirement or if you are poor or injured and can't work. How it really works is the money I put in now is used for people now who retire or are poor. The only reason he and others hate Oba.ma care is because it's the government running it. Also the prices went up after Tr.ump and the Republicans took control of the government. They have took steps to intentionally destabilize the market because they haven't been able to get rid of it completely. What is even crazier is the red states were they hate it so much are the poorest states that get the most social program money and are less likely to be able to afford insurance. The Republican party has convinced them to vote against their best interests.
You obviously missed what I've said. I'm entitled to full medical treatment regardless. If the doctor says I need it then I get it. The government isn't going to stop me. I will get the exact same medical treatment you do whilst I am older and they will try and keep me alive for as long as possible. I know you want to try and play it down but you can't. The NHS is a golden service and one you should be jealous of.
So basically we have the same system in place but you also have to pay medical insurance on to of it? Jesus Christ! From across the water it seemed like Ob.ama was trying to stick a similar system in place that we have yet everyone hated in. Maybe it's the selfish attitude of "Why should I pay for someone else". Well to answered that. Because when you are old and need constant care everyone else will be paying for you. Unless we just start killing of the old?
Sort of. You can't quality for Medicare or Medicade unless you meet certain conditions. Most poor people do not qualify. What Oba.ma tried to do was make so everyone could be insured. As an example someone single makeing 25'000 a year most likely can't afford insurance unless offered by their job. That person would not qualify for a government program because they make more than the poverty line to qualify. Those are the people Oba.ma tried to help. In rural red states most people barely make more than the poverty line on average.
No i did not miss anything you said ; i understand that you think what you think but the doctor is a government employee and if the government chooses not to cover or change medical care . They can do it . And there will be nothing you can do about it !! It has happened here and it can happen there !! And if you think otherwise then that is foolish thinking .
To qualify for one of those programs you must be eldely/retired, live below the poverty line ( and you still may not qualify) or be deemed by a doctor unable to work because of a disablilty. There may be other ways that I'm not aware of though , but most people can not get it and it's supposed to be that way. It's a safety net sort of. But we all pay into it every week.
I'd like to say I'm surprised that you seem to be for such a system but I can't say I am. The system we have is massively superior to yours but you'd rather worry that they'll stop treating you as you get older. Something that hasn't happened in the 70 years it's been around.
I don't see why people would be against such a system. I reluctantly pay tax and pay my fair share of NI which I hope I'll never need to use but I understand the benefit of it and there's a system there should I ever need it. The way I look at it, if I didn't pay it the government would probably fleece me of it anyway and stick it towards something wasteful.
I don't understand it either. Most associate with Socialism which they have been taught is a terrible form of government, although if you ask why exactly they can't say. Basically a portion of the American people have been taught certain things that they don't question ever. Because they have been told to question is un-American ! This is the way we say it is so that's that. It's sad really. I support the Democratic party and vote as such. But I don't believe every soundbite some Dem says. I always question the government no matter which party it is. But some have been raised with this narrow mindset that causes them to not use common sense at all. What's funny is that has been the Republican party's strength for decades. They always have been better at getting out the vote because people don't question.
As I said to him earlier, he is extremely brainwashed. He hasn't really questioned anything. Having a Google around and if youre apart of a large scale crime like a terrorist attack then you still have to cover the medical costs. Families of the Columbine shooting had to sue to have their expenses covered. Just idea that? Your child is dead and you have a large medical bill to cover that you then have to go through court proceedings to get paid. And somehow he wants to pull holes in the system we have??
Yeah it's truly insane if you think about it. They would rather not have insurance than have it because it's a so- called ' Socialist program' . How does that begin to make sense? And I asked him once what is Socialism? He had no answer. All he knows is it's bad lol. That's what they count on blind allegiance combined with fear mongering and creating divisions by pointing a finger at ' the others ' who want to 'change America' ! All societies must change and evolve but they fear it! So they follow blindly because the party is going to 'protect America ' from 'them'
I always try to trust my decisions to myself in all aspects of my life . I do not want someone who knows nothing about me to have the power to make life decisions for me !! Weather it is about medical care or even take away my Constitutional rights !! For if we allow it to start ; then where will it stop ? And if it does not stop ; then we do not have Freedom !!
Reading that just makes me want to facepalm myself. Listen to yourself you paranoid old fool. You are literally arguing against having a better health care system because fuck it! Freedom! You haven't got a valid argument. God forbid your government wanting to make your life better.
