why was the american gov so "evil" during the cold war

I didn't said that robots won't take jobs, on contrary I'm for full automisation... I said that AI is produced by humans not independent... so your argumentation is nothing...

"There even is a website that shows you a percentage of how likely or unlikely it is for a robot to take over your job." There are even websites that can make your picture into nude, it doesn't mean is your nude... this is childish thinking sorry not scientific argument...
And yet two new strawman arguments. You are on fire kiddo. I said it before and I will say it again. You seem to just love to argue. You are all over the place and if someone points out a hole in your logic you simply flop to another subject altogether or you simply just claim you never said that. Seems to me you are not a socialist as you claim but a Rudeman supporter spouting fake news under the guise of socialism.
 
Haha why don't you put all this in your manifesto. Of course beer and food existed before capitalism but the food you eat and beer you drink come from the capitalist system.That system is literally how you get everything you have. You are a hypocrite But hey do you Comrade. I don't fight for freedom.I sell plants and associated products for 'The Man' to further capitalism .And oppress the poor. So capitalism is going to fall huh? That has been said for more than 100 years .And it still exists while the majority of those who were sure it would fall are dead. And the majority of the government's founded on communist principal adopted capitalism in one form or another. But it will fall soon sure man.

Yes, we see how capitalism advances humanity, sure you can see that in Africa, Middle East, India... what great system... is not the system that provides the goods it is the work force, without the working class your system will fall in seconds... don't you lecture me, and you are not my comrade, so don't address me as such... now I see why your "views" are CIAs, its not even your views, it is your interest so you need to lecture on morality, than you call me a hypocrite... perhaps your beer comes from capitalism, mine comes from the labour I do on my workplace... and you are lecturing me about the USA workers... but don't worry, the American workers have not said their word yet ;)
 
And yet two new strawman arguments. You are on fire kiddo. I said it before and I will say it again. You seem to just love to argue. You are all over the place and if someone points out a hole in your logic you simply flop to another subject altogether or you simply just claim you never said that. Seems to me you are not a socialist as you claim but a Rudeman supporter spouting fake news under the guise of socialism.

Sure you can "point out hole in my logic" from Popper's point of formal logic, it is easy thing to do... you think black is black and white is white, but what you fail to see is that black can be white and white black, it depends on the context, if a violent man kills his wife is murder, if a wife kills her violent man who is beating her is not the same, it is self defence. You should not search for hidden meaning in what I say, sure when you do so instead of providing arguments the discusion will go to another subject... but I understand, you are trying to disprove me and when cought in your own net you yell: "strawman arguments", "fake news" and "you are not socialist"... how the fuck you (as Dcdevon) know if I'm socialist when you have not even read basic socialist economical writings about labour? Both are not point of reference on socialism... you just repeat the same shit the capitalist repeat when their ground shakes, like broken grammophon playing the same song for centuries...
 
Yes, we see how capitalism advances humanity, sure you can see that in Africa, Middle East, India... what great system... is not the system that provides the goods it is the work force, without the working class your system will fall in seconds... don't you lecture me, and you are not my comrade, so don't address me as such... now I see why your "views" are CIAs, its not even your views, it is your interest so you need to lecture on morality, than you call me a hypocrite... perhaps your beer comes from capitalism, mine comes from the labour I do on my workplace... and you are lecturing me about the USA workers... but don't worry, the American workers have not said their word yet ;)
Sure , sure a revolution is coming blah , blah , blah Gotcha Comrade
 
Sure you can "point out hole in my logic" from Popper's point of formal logic, it is easy thing to do... you think black is black and white is white, but what you fail to see is that black can be white and white black, it depends on the context, if a violent man kills his wife is murder, if a wife kills her violent man who is beating her is not the same, it is self defence. You should not search for hidden meaning in what I say, sure when you do so instead of providing arguments the discusion will go to another subject... but I understand, you are trying to disprove me and when cought in your own net you yell: "strawman arguments", "fake news" and "you are not socialist"... how the fuck you (as Dcdevon) know if I'm socialist when you have not even read basic socialist economical writings about labour? Both are not point of reference on socialism... you just repeat the same shit the capitalist repeat when their ground shakes, like broken grammophon playing the same song for centuries...
Thanks for proving that you have no idea what you are talking about. Don't want me to say strawman argument? Don't commit one. Don't want me to shout fake news? Provide scientific evidence to back your claim. You also don't need to read a book to know what it is about. I never read Mein Kampf and I know what it is about
 
Thanks for proving that you have no idea what you are talking about. Don't want me to say strawman argument? Don't commit one. Don't want me to shout fake news? Provide scientific evidence to back your claim. You also don't need to read a book to know what it is about. I never read Mein Kampf and I know what it is about

Sure, I'll write doctorat on a forum... yes you can know what is about, but you can't say there are no scientific evidence in it if you haven't read, so while you ask for scientific evidence you provide mythology...
 
I am glad to see people discussing this stuff however, I see the trend to 'group' into Left/Right or Capitalist vs. Socialist. I submit that there is a time for each. I have gone back and read Mien Kompf, Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations. Each book was a great deal different than I had been taught in school. Mien Kompf didn't exactly batter the 'Jews' so much as he did the "International Jew", they are not the same thing. Karl Marx says a number of times that capitalism is the most productive economic system. Adam Smith just totally ignored the effects that caused the Irish to starve 50 years later.

Early American wealth was the result of low taxes, shipbuilding innovations, advancements in cotton quality, cotton production, sugar cane and tobacco. Adam Smith says that American wages were much higher than England's in about 1760. All of the above happened because of 'capitalist profit pigs' not being oppressed by monarch governments. By 1850 America had more rail roads than any nation on earth, every major line was started with the assistance, or complete financing by federal, state and local governments. That is socialism at its best, however most railroads were financial failures. When individuals such as Geo Westinghouse, Andrew Carnegie and JP Morgan got involved, the railroads profited. The reasons were from technical developments in machines, materials and financing. That is capitalism at its best, however it lead to labor practices that made American chattel (african) slavery look like a leisure vacation.

The path to happiness is like sailing into the wind. You cannot sail directly to your goal, you must tack. If you sail too 'close hauled', your boat will stall. If you sail a 'broad reach', your boat will go fast, but not in the right direction. I blame unrestricted capitalism for the Calumet disaster of 1913 and the needless starvation of the Irish in the 19th century. I blame unrestricted socialism for the starvation of the Russians in 1922 and 1932. The Nazi's are a case of 'sailing a broad reach'. There economy was the most efficient in the history of the world, but it brought despair and tragedy. It accomplished no one's goals.

So, what do we do? First, we should read James Madison's Federalist Paper #10. Next we must stop 'grouping' by 'isms'. A socialist can have a good idea! Most capitalists are not profit pigs! Guys like Lenin, Stalin and Mao, may say that are communists, but what they practiced seems a very far cry from the Karl Marx that I read. Embrace republicanism (notice not a capital R). Democracy is great, but no citizen has the time to keep up with everything. Large groups cannot compromise well. We must have representatives do that work for us. Lastly, keep our eye on our goals.

What are our goals? I am not sure who to credit, be it Jefferson, Locke, Paine or the guy pushing the tomato cart, but it seems that Life, Liberty and Happiness are the three I like best.
 

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