U.S. Election 2020

[KingDavid]

Gab is as far as I know the go to site for those in the Alt right who were banned from Facebook for racist posts and fake news posts like smellynews type things .

Or literally anyone they deem to be "alt right" or "racist" or "conspiracy theorists". Just about everyone in the "Intellectual Darkweb" is labelled "alt right" and "racist" by the media, random people on twitter [and the media uses phrases like, 'Jordan Peterson, whom some have labelled alt right' afterwards, as manufactured propaganda]. Joe Rogan, the pothead yoga bro who changes his mind every 5 seconds is an alt right Nazi. Ben Shapiro (the jewiest jew who ever jewed) is supposed to be a 'white nationalist' Nazi. Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist and classical liberal, is an alt right Nazi. Steven Crowder is conservative and therefore - you guessed it - a Nazi. Candance Owens, who is black, and no longer supports the Democratic Party - alt right Nazi. Tim Pool is labelled "alt right adjacent", whatever that even means. Half-Asian but he's still a white supremacist. Why exactly? He disagrees with them on things like censorship and violence.

My point is: I don't know a single online/intellectual personality that is actually alt right, because I am not alt right. And none of these people that I've named are alt right, either. Still, they have all dealt with dirty smear merchants in the press, and social media, and this leads to banning and censorship. 2/3 of them are liberals. You have to understand that. You can disagree with 90% of my politics, but I'm only concerned with not labeling conservatives and centrists (everyone right of Stalin) as "alt right", because censorship and partisan politics creates extremists. Center and center-right people go far right, because that seems to be the only pocket that accepts them. They welcome them and feed them propaganda. It's counter-intuitive. Having allll of the tech companies censor a man, like Smellyman, only legitimizes everything he says in the minds of many who don't trust the government/tech companies. He's become a martyr.

If we're to ban "conspiracy theorists", like Smellyman, then what about Ancient Aliens? Bro science? MSNBC pushed the RussiaGate conspiracy for 2+ years. Should they be banned? Of course not. It would never happen. Not because they are banning "racists" or "conspiracy theorists" - it's ONLY because their politics are different.

My post was more directed at her than you . Although to be fair I rid think that was what you were insinuating as well.

Fair enough. I guess that shows how egotistical I am. I assume all posts are aimed at me. But you can use the quote feature. It helps.

Although to be fair I rid think that was what you were insinuating as well. But I'm not always right . Just 99 percent of the time .

Nah. I think it's clear as day that it's nothing more than political censorship and social engineering - but like I said, I don't expect the government to solve the problem. They're a part of it. I'm not claiming free speech, and I don't on this site either. Private company.

 

[Dcdevon]

Or literally anyone they deem to be "alt right" or "racist" or "conspiracy theorists". Just about everyone in the "Intellectual Darkweb" is labelled "alt right" and "racist" by the media, random people on twitter [and the media uses phrases like, 'Jordan Peterson, whom some have labelled alt right' afterwards, as manufactured propaganda]. Joe Rogan, the pothead yoga bro who changes his mind every 5 seconds is an alt right Nazi. Ben Shapiro (the jewiest jew who ever jewed) is supposed to be a 'white nationalist' Nazi. Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist and classical liberal, is an alt right Nazi. Steven Crowder is conservative and therefore - you guessed it - a Nazi. Candance Owens, who is black, and no longer supports the Democratic Party - alt right Nazi. Tim Pool is labelled "alt right adjacent", whatever that even means. Half-Asian but he's still a white supremacist. Why exactly? He disagrees with them on things like censorship and violence.

My point is: I don't know a single online/intellectual personality that is actually alt right, because I am not alt right. And none of these people that I've named are alt right, either. Still, they have all dealt with dirty smear merchants in the press, and social media, and this leads to banning and censorship. 2/3 of them are liberals. You have to understand that. You can disagree with 90% of my politics, but I'm only concerned with not labeling conservatives and centrists (everyone right of Stalin) as "alt right", because censorship and partisan politics creates extremists. Center and center-right people go far right, because that seems to be the only pocket that accepts them. They welcome them and feed them propaganda. It's counter-intuitive. Having allll of the tech companies censor a man, like Smellyman, only legitimizes everything he says in the minds of many who don't trust the government/tech companies. He's become a martyr.

If we're to ban "conspiracy theorists", like Smellyman, then what about Ancient Aliens? Bro science? MSNBC pushed the RussiaGate conspiracy for 2+ years. Should they be banned? Of course not. It would never happen. Not because they are banning "racists" or "conspiracy theorists" - it's ONLY because their politics are different.

Fair enough. I guess that shows how egotistical I am. I assume all posts are aimed at me. But you can use the quote feature. It helps.

Nah. I think it's clear as day that it's nothing more than political censorship and social engineering - but like I said, I don't expect the government to solve the problem. They're a part of it. I'm not claiming free speech, and I don't on this site either. Private company.

The term alt right is trown out alot . But it's a blanket term that is part of the problem. But sometimes a horse is just a horse . If people use the same terms as Nazis or use their talking points that's how they will be labeled. And it's not by accident they do so . They do it whether they actually believe that shit or not to drive a certain demographic to their website/ blog etc. Then when there are consequences they bitch and whine about it . And Candace Owens said Poppycock wasn't a nationalist despite that being one of the main pillars of facism. So black , white or whatever she is full of shit. People like her hurt the rights cause more than they help. Because even though she tried to explain what she meant later it didn't matter. All people heard was Hit.ler wasn't a nationalist.

 

[KingDavid]

The term alt right is trown out alot . But it's a blanket term that is part of the problem.

*clears throat*
Webster's Dictionary defines...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alt-right
a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism

The alt right reject mainstream conservatism in place of FAR right politics. They hate Rudeman for being pro-Israel. They hate Ben Shapiro for being a jew. The alt right reject all of them. Although, I would argue they are in fact farther left and north towards authoritarianism, like the OG German Nazis, but they were simply "right of Stalin".

White Nationalism is a form of identitarianism. It's collectivism; not individualism. That's not right wing. They have more in common with "far left" Black Separatists, they just believe the opposite side of the same coin. At least they can agree there is a coin. They have more in common with each other than Candance Owens, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder have in common with the alt right. They are conservatives, not extremists. None of them support white nationalism or identity politics - they fight against that sort of stuff.

Second source's definition:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/alt-right-a-primer-about-the-new-white-supremacy
People who identify with the Alt Right regard mainstream or traditional conservatives as weak and impotent, largely because they do not sufficiently support racism and anti-Semitism. Alt Righters frequently disparage the conservative movement by using the derogatory term “cuckservative,”popularized in 2015. The term “cuckservative,” a combination of “conservative” and “cuckold,” is used by white supremacists to describe a white Christian conservative who promotes the interests of Jews and non-whites over those of whites.

Though not every person who identifies with the Alt Right is a white supremacist, most are and “white identity” is central to people in this milieu. In fact, Alt Righters reject modern conservatism explicitly because they believe that mainstream conservatives are not advocating for the interests of white people as a group.

If people use the same terms as Nazis or use their talking points that's how they will be labeled. And it's not by accident they do so.

Who is "they" in this scenario? I don't understand.

And Candace Owens said Poppycock wasn't a nationalist.

She defended nationalism, not Poppycock. If Poppycock was a nationalist; he was more importantly, a national socialist. Poppycock was a vegetarian. Does that make vegetarianism evil? No, of course not. Nazism? Still evil.

Tim Lieu, CNN and the rest of mainstream fake news media took her out of context and ran with it. Of course they did. That's how they generate money - faux outrage. Here's what she actually said:

I actually don’t have any problems at all with the word ‘nationalism’ I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don’t want. … Whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Poppycock. He was a national socialist. But if Poppycock just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism. I really don’t.

She supports:
na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun

1. identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
   "their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
   synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality;

Not:
Nazism, also spelled Naziism, in full National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Poppycock as head of the Nazi Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and dictatorial rule, Nazism shared many elements with Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in its ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the will of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of a people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.

Even though she tried to explain what she meant later it didn't matter. All people heard was Hit.ler wasn't a nationalist.

I agree with that. This is how propaganda works. This is how the MSM works. They smear people, falsely, because that's what gets the viewers, then they move on and never clarify. Even if they do retract a statement - most people don't pay attention. The majority of those that saw the original still believe it. The good news, form my perspective, is that mainstream journalism is dying. I couldn't be happier. CNN is laying off even more people this week. Same as last week.

 

[Dcdevon]

I agree it's thrown out a lot, and back in 20016-17, when I hated Rudeman, I thought all Rudeman supporters/conservatives were "alt right". But since then, I've learned the definition. Or at least I thought most people agreed on this - outside of the fringe far-left.

*clears throat*
Webster's Dictionary defines...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alt-right
a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism

The alt right reject mainstream conservatism in place of FAR right politics. They hate Rudeman for being pro-Israel. They hate Ben Shapiro for being a jew. The alt right reject all of them. Although, I would argue they are in fact farther left and north towards authoritarianism, like the OG German Nazis, but they were simply "right of Stalin". White Nationalism is a form of identitarianism. It's collectivism; not individualism. That's not right wing. They have more in common with "far left" Black Separatists, they just believe the opposite side of the same coin. At least there is a coin - I don't. They have more in common with each other than Candance Owens, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder have in common with the alt right. None of them are extremists. None of them support white nationalism or identity politics - they fight against that sort of stuff.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/alt-right-a-primer-about-the-new-white-supremacy
People who identify with the Alt Right regard mainstream or traditional conservatives as weak and impotent, largely because they do not sufficiently support racism and anti-Semitism. Alt Righters frequently disparage the conservative movement by using the derogatory term “cuckservative,”popularized in 2015. The term “cuckservative,” a combination of “conservative” and “cuckold,” is used by white supremacists to describe a white Christian conservative who promotes the interests of Jews and non-whites over those of whites.

Though not every person who identifies with the Alt Right is a white supremacist, most are and “white identity” is central to people in this milieu. In fact, Alt Righters reject modern conservatism explicitly because they believe that mainstream conservatives are not advocating for the interests of white people as a group.

Who is "they" in this scenario? I don't understand.

She defended nationalism, not Poppycock. She believes nationalism isn't bad, even if Poppycock was one [ if he was, more importantly, he was a national socialist]. Poppycock was a vegetarian. Does that make vegetarianism evil? No, of course not. Nazism? Still evil.

Tim Lieu, CNN and the rest of mainstream fake news media took her out of context and ran with it. Of course they did. That's how they generate money - faux outrage. Here's what she actually said:

I don't have a problem with this word, either.

She supports:
na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun

1. identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
   "their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
   synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality;

Not:
Nazism, also spelled Naziism, in full National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Poppycock as head of the Nazi Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and dictatorial rule, Nazism shared many elements with Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in its ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the will of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of a people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.

I agree with that. This is how propaganda works. This is how the MSM works. They smear people, falsely, because that's what gets the viewers, then they move on and never clarify. Even if they do retract a statement - most people don't pay attention. The majority of those that saw the original still believe it. The good news, form my perspective, is that mainstream journalism is dying. I couldn't be happier. CNN is laying off even more people this week. Same as last week.

' They are people who do what I mentioned not necessarily the names on your list . Candace Owens tried to use the word " Socialist' in the Nazi party name to imply he wasn't a Nationalist. We was. In the beginning that was what he talked about . That's were the aryan nation stuff came from. But even worse she attempted to make the case is hit.ler would have stayed in Germany it would not have been so bad ..Well it would have for some for sure . Just because Socialist is in a name they doesn't mean that is what a political party is about. China has Socialist in their official name but they aren't that for sure . You can't negate what hit.ler did it was in any way and not expect back lash. The far right has nothing in common with the far left except the extreme far part . They are two different ideologies The neo Nazis are not the same as those that will chain themselves to trees to stop logging.

 

[Dcdevon]

*clears throat*
Webster's Dictionary defines...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alt-right
a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism

The alt right reject mainstream conservatism in place of FAR right politics. They hate Rudeman for being pro-Israel. They hate Ben Shapiro for being a jew. The alt right reject all of them. Although, I would argue they are in fact farther left and north towards authoritarianism, like the OG German Nazis, but they were simply "right of Stalin".

White Nationalism is a form of identitarianism. It's collectivism; not individualism. That's not right wing. They have more in common with "far left" Black Separatists, they just believe the opposite side of the same coin. At least they can agree there is a coin. They have more in common with each other than Candance Owens, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder have in common with the alt right. They are conservatives, not extremists. None of them support white nationalism or identity politics - they fight against that sort of stuff.

Second source's definition:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/alt-right-a-primer-about-the-new-white-supremacy
People who identify with the Alt Right regard mainstream or traditional conservatives as weak and impotent, largely because they do not sufficiently support racism and anti-Semitism. Alt Righters frequently disparage the conservative movement by using the derogatory term “cuckservative,”popularized in 2015. The term “cuckservative,” a combination of “conservative” and “cuckold,” is used by white supremacists to describe a white Christian conservative who promotes the interests of Jews and non-whites over those of whites.

Though not every person who identifies with the Alt Right is a white supremacist, most are and “white identity” is central to people in this milieu. In fact, Alt Righters reject modern conservatism explicitly because they believe that mainstream conservatives are not advocating for the interests of white people as a group.

Who is "they" in this scenario? I don't understand.

She defended nationalism, not Poppycock. If Poppycock was a nationalist; he was more importantly, a national socialist. Poppycock was a vegetarian. Does that make vegetarianism evil? No, of course not. Nazism? Still evil.

Tim Lieu, CNN and the rest of mainstream fake news media took her out of context and ran with it. Of course they did. That's how they generate money - faux outrage. Here's what she actually said:

She supports:
na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun

1. identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
   "their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
   synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality;

Not:
Nazism, also spelled Naziism, in full National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Poppycock as head of the Nazi Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and dictatorial rule, Nazism shared many elements with Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in its ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the will of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of a people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.

I agree with that. This is how propaganda works. This is how the MSM works. They smear people, falsely, because that's what gets the viewers, then they move on and never clarify. Even if they do retract a statement - most people don't pay attention. The majority of those that saw the original still believe it. The good news, form my perspective, is that mainstream journalism is dying. I couldn't be happier. CNN is laying off even more people this week. Same as last week.

In addition to their being different ideologies on the far left and far right . Political violence from the far left has declined. But it has increased on the far right . So much so that the FBI sees it as a serious National security threat . Last year I believe or the year before the FBI recorded no political terror attacks from the left . But an increase from the right . To be sure the black Bloc is violent ( they are the ones in black who like to fight Nazis) and there are other groups out there on the left . But they usually lack the organization to pull off large scale attacks . They consider themselves anarchists. The heyday for political violence from the left has passed. You are too young to remember the early ninties left centered attacks . The far right is just getting started and getting worse . Candace Owens in her defense of Nationalism was trying to downplay that . That's also why she got so much flack.The far right is more willing to use terrorist style tactics at this point.

 

[KingDavid]

@Dcdevon Hey, I'm currently cleaning up the post. Deleting irrelevant opinion, making it more legible, correcting grammar. But it'll be, more or less, the same post.

' They are people who do what I mentioned not necessarily the names on your list

To be perfectly honest, I don't think I can name a single person that is "alt right". I know a tiny bit about Gavin McInnes, because he was on JRE, but I'm 99% sure he's just a shit-talking conservative and not a white nationalist "alt right" guy. But if you can name an actual white supremacist, then yeah, I probably don't like them as much as you do. However, I believe in their freedom of speech and responding to free speech with violence and censorship is never the solution, according to my beliefs.

'Candace Owens tried to use the word " Socialist' in the Nazi party name to imply he wasn't a Nationalist.

That's where we get the word Nazi. National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party—officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP)—in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

If Poppycock/National Socialist Party was nationalist; that's not why they were evil. Just like being vegetarian wasn't what made Poppycock evil. I have no problem with nationalism.

' But even worse she attempted to make the case is hit.ler would have stayed in Germany it would not have been so bad

She wasn't saying, "well if he had killed all of those people BUT stayed in Germany, well then I think that's swell!". This is the angle Tim Lieu tried to spin, and the fake news media. What she was saying was that if he was simply a nationalist who cared about his country, and didn't want to take over the world, then that's not a bad thing. But she wasn't condoning Nazism (National Socialism). She's not cool with an evil dictator who committed genocide and practiced eugenics. She's not a racist.

 

[Dcdevon]

@Dcdevon Hey, I'm currently cleaning up the post. Deleting irrelevant opinion, making it more legible, correcting grammar. But it'll be, more or less, the same post.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think I can name a single person that is "alt right". I know a tiny bit about Gavin McInnes, because he was on JRE, but I'm 99% sure he's just a shit-talking conservative and not a white nationalist "alt right" guy. But if you can name an actual white supremacist, then yeah, I probably don't like them as much as you do. However, I believe in their freedom of speech and responding to free speech with violence and censorship is never the solution, according to my beliefs.

That's where we get the word Nazi. National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party—officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP)—in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

If Poppycock/National Socialist Party was nationalist; that's not why they were evil. Just like being vegetarian wasn't what made Poppycock evil. I have no problem with nationalism.

She wasn't saying, "well if he had killed all of those people BUT stayed in Germany, well then I think that's swell!". This is the angle Tim Lieu tried to spin, and the fake news media. What she was saying was that if he was simply a nationalist who cared about his country, and didn't want to take over the world, then that's not a bad thing. But she wasn't condoning Nazism (National Socialism). She's not cool with an evil dictator who committed genocide and practiced eugenics. She's not a racist.

I agree that the Nazis being Nationalists isn't why they were evil. They were evil because they killed millions of people. Gavin McInnes started out a white nationalist and later tried to change his talking points . I don't think Candace Owens is a racist . I think she has the problem many on the right have and particularly TR.ump supporters. Not all Nationalists are racists but most are I think and white Nationalism is part of the Nationalist movement. They go to the same rallies, they support the same candidates. But instead of acknowledging the problem the right denies there is one . While pandoring to these same people for votes . They are trying to walk a fine line but there isn't one . Steve King didn't just become a racist. He always was . But because he held his district the Republican party ignored it . Until they couldn't anymore. If you lay down with dogs you get fleas right ?

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

I can name one person who declares herself as "Alt Right Queen," and that is Tila Tequila.

 

[KingDavid]

In addition to their being different ideologies on the far left and far right . Political violence from the far left has declined. But it has increased on the far right . So much so that the FBI sees it as a serious National security threat . Last year I believe or the year before the FBI recorded no political terror attacks from the left . But an increase from the right

Do you have any links or sources? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious. I'm googling it without much luck. I've never seen a Neo Nazi in my life. At least one protesting in the streets, swastika tattoos, etc. - but I also don't live in the South. From what I understood, Antifa are the the violent ones, but there are violent alt right people, too. I don't like either of them. I'm against political violence, and so is everyone I've named in the last 5 or so posts. I also understood that neo nazism is fringe, but black separatists are growing.
https://www.statista.com/chart/10673/americas-active-hate-groups/

Still. I'm curious about the data. You might be right. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I'm open minded to your ideas.

You are too young to remember the early ninties left centered attacks

Do you mean the LA Riots? Yeah I as too young to really understand it. I remember seeing a guy in a truck on TV getting stopped by some other guy in the street, then beat over the head with a brick, I believe. Crazy stuff. But as I understand it, this was after some Korean storeowner shot a black girl in his store. I have no idea about the details, but I assume she was innocent and/or didn't deserve to be shot. Also the Rodney King footage sparked outrage. It seemed like a bunch of senseless violence. They started burning and attacking Korean storeowners who weren't involved. Then they in turn set up sniper points on the roofs. Crazy stuff.

I don't think we're there, but I do think we're in the middle of a civil war - fought with ideas and memes. I think there's a lot of blame to be spread around, but I mostly blame the left. The party has been hijacked by socialists and people who don't believe in free speech. They believe violence is acceptable. They also censor and attack people in the center-left, center and center-right. They created the need for Rudeman in the first place. My opinion, at least. I think they're letting the far-right scoop up a bunch of people, since a lot of people operate on an either-or basis. Black or white thinking. What, you're socialists and don't like free speech? OK, guess I'm alt right now, because that's what people on Twitter and CNN tell me. But I am no fan of the alt right, either. If you're willing to be anti-Antifa & Anti-AltRight - like I am - then we're allies, as far as I'm concerned.

Candace Owens in her defense of Nationalism was trying to downplay that

Downplay what? She wasn't defending white nationalism, she was defending nationalism. I agree with her.
✓Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation,[1] especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty).

XWhite nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.[5] White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

 

[KingDavid]

I can name one person who declares herself as "Alt Right Queen," and that is Tila Tequila.

lol gross. wasn't she a pornstar in the 2000s? a person like that is only relevant if she dates Fred Durst or says stupid shit like that.

 

[Dcdevon]

Do you have any links or sources? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious. I'm googling it without much luck. I've never seen a Neo Nazi in my life. At least one protesting in the streets, swastika tattoos, etc. - but I also don't live in the South. From what I understood, Antifa are the the violent ones, but there are violent alt right people, too. I don't like either of them. I'm against political violence, and so is everyone I've named in the last 5 or so posts. I also understood that neo nazism is fringe, but black separatists are growing.
https://www.statista.com/chart/10673/americas-active-hate-groups/
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Still. I'm curious about the data. You might be right. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I'm open minded to your ideas.


Do you mean the LA Riots? Yeah I as too young to really understand it. I remember seeing a guy in a truck on TV getting stopped by some other guy in the street, then beat over the head with a brick, I believe. Crazy stuff. But as I understand it, this was after some Korean storeowner shot a black girl in his store. I have no idea about the details, but I assume she was innocent and/or didn't deserve to be shot. Also the Rodney King footage sparked outrage. It seemed like a bunch of senseless violence. They started burning and attacking Korean storeowners who weren't involved. Then they in turn set up sniper points on the roofs. Crazy stuff.

I don't think we're there, but I do think we're in the middle of a civil war - fought with ideas and memes. I think there's a lot of blame to be spread around, but I mostly blame the left. The party has been hijacked by socialists and people who don't believe in free speech. They believe violence is acceptable. They also censor and attack people in the center-left, center and center-right. They created the need for Rudeman in the first place. My opinion, at least. I think they're letting the far-right scoop up a bunch of people, since a lot of people operate on an either-or basis. Black or white thinking. What, you're socialists and don't like free speech? OK, guess I'm alt right now, because that's what people on Twitter and CNN tell me. But I am no fan of the alt right, either. If you're willing to be anti-Antifa & Anti-AltRight - like I am - then we're allies, as far as I'm concerned.


Downplay what? She wasn't defending white nationalism, she was defending nationalism. I agree with her.
✓Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation,[1] especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty).

XWhite nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.[5] White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

Check the FBI terror incident reports. Try using domestic terror as a description. Antifa is another word that is overused and misunderstood also . Antifa in and of itself isn't violent. But elements of I can be . Antifa isn't an organization funded by Soros as some think . Antifa isn't centrally organized on purpose. They don't have much of a leadership structure either. They are a bunch of separate groups. The far right is more violent than the left . Wray testified to Congress the FBI concerns about them and domesticated terror. The Rodney King riot wasn't a leftist political violence thing . It was a bunch of pissed off people. Mad because the cops they beat him were aquitted. What I was mentioning was the eco terrorists of the nineties. They spiked trees ( which can kill a logger) burned logging equipment etc . I also think people who are far right already have that propensity. I don't think they are pushed that way by the left . They already have those views or are open to them .

 

[Dcdevon]

lol gross. wasn't she a pornstar in the 2000s? a person like that is only relevant if she dates Fred Durst or says stupid shit like that.

She's crazy af . She is of Filipina decent hanging around with white nationalists. She came to a restaurant here in DC with them and have a Nazi salute. Hit.ler would have stuck her ass in an oven too. He thought asians were ' mud people' She did some girl girl ' leaked videos ' they were staged though.

 

[KingDavid]

I agree that the Nazis being Nationalists isn't why they were evil. They were evil because they killed millions of people.

Well, mostly, yes. I think it's because they were eugenicists. Stalin killed far more people, but Poppycock is the go-to evil guy. I think it's because of the racial purity angle. But it went even further than that. The sick, the handicapped, homosexuals, Jews, Gypsies, etc., it's just really fucked up.

Still. The Soviet Union had to put up posters that read something like, "Remember: It's immoral to eat your dead children", because people were starving. There was no shortage of piled up dead bodies on their end, either. Their scales were heavier. But, yes, we all agree Poppycock was evil, right? But there are many on the (far) left who are taking control of the regular left who disagree that Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Guevara, etc. were evil.

Gavin McInnes started out a white nationalist and later tried to change his talking points

I didn't know that. I know a little bit about the proud boys. Started off as a joke. I know he married a Native American woman, so he couldn't be too much of a white nationalist, if he was focused on racial purity. But I'm not exactly a fan of his. Don't know him.

I don't think Candace Owens is a racis

Well, that's good. White middleclass college kids harass this woman and call her a racist, when they're busy not having jobs.

Not all Nationalists are racists but most are

I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree. The kind of nationalism she's speaking of is essentially American Exceptionalism. Patriotism. Ronald Reagan, not David Duke. We should be proud of our country, our constitution, our history - and always look forward, but learn from the past, to create a better future.

I think and white Nationalism is part of the Nationalist movement.

Excuse me for repeating myself, but I copied and pasted this from previous post. Not trying to spam you into acceptance, but just for clarity:

✓Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation,[1] especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over itshomeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty).

XWhite nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.[5] White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

They go to the same rallies, they support the same candidates. But instead of acknowledging the problem the right denies there is one

Rudeman spoke out against the alt right and Antifa, and specifically denounced white nationalists and racists, but the media still twisted his words as though he was supporting them. I don't think it's Candance Owen's job, or Steven Crowder's for that matter, to publicly denounce every fringe far right activist. Just like every left politician/pundit/personality isn't obligated to denounce every single Antifa member. I believe most of them wouldn't, anyways.

 

[KingDavid]

Check the FBI terror incident reports. Try using domestic terror as a description. Antifa is another word that is overused and misunderstood also . Antifa in and of itself isn't violent. But elements of I can be . Antifa isn't an organization funded by Soros as some think . Antifa isn't centrally organized on purpose. They don't have much of a leadership structure either. They are a bunch of separate groups. The far right is more violent than the left . Wray testified to Congress the FBI concerns about them and domesticated terror. The Rodney King riot wasn't a leftist political violence thing . It was a bunch of pissed off people. Mad because the cops they beat him were aquitted. What I was mentioning was the eco terrorists of the nineties. They spiked trees ( which can kill a logger) burned logging equipment etc . I also think people who are far right already have that propensity. I don't think they are pushed that way by the left . They already have those views or are open to them .

I'll look into this tomorrow. Have to go now. Nice talking to you.

She's crazy af . She is of Filipina decent hanging around with white nationalists. She came to a restaurant here in DC with them and have a Nazi salute. Hit.ler would have stuck her ass in an oven too. He thought asians were ' mud people' She did some girl girl ' leaked videos ' they were staged though.

I think we can all agree Tila Tequila is gross. @Autonomous you too? Let's build some bridges before the civil war 2: electric boogaloo starts.

 

[Dcdevon]

Well, mostly, yes. I think it's because they were eugenicists. Stalin killed far more people, but Poppycock is the go-to evil guy. I think it's because of the racial purity angle. But it went even further than that. The sick, the handicapped, homosexuals, Jews, Gypsies, etc., it's just really fucked up.

Still. The Soviet Union had to put up posters that read something like, "Remember: It's immoral to eat your dead children", because people were starving. There was no shortage of piled up dead bodies on their end, either. Their scales were heavier. But, yes, we all agree Poppycock was evil, right? But there are many on the (far) left who are taking control of the regular left who disagree that Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Guevara, etc. were evil.

I didn't know that. I know a little bit about the proud boys. Started off as a joke. I know he married a Native American woman, so he couldn't be too much of a white nationalist, if he was focused on racial purity. But I'm not exactly a fan of his. Don't know him.

Well, that's good. White middleclass college kids harass this woman and call her a racist, when they're busy not having jobs.

I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree. The kind of nationalism she's speaking of is essentially American Exceptionalism. Patriotism. Ronald Reagan, not David Duke. We should be proud of our country, our constitution, our history - and always look forward, but learn from the past, to create a better future.

Excuse me for repeating myself, but I copied and pasted this from previous post. Not trying to spam you into acceptance, but just for clarity:

✓Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation,[1] especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over itshomeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty).

XWhite nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.[5] White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

Rudeman spoke out against the alt right and Antifa, and specifically denounced white nationalists and racists, but the media still twisted his words as though he was supporting them. I don't think it's Candance Owen's job, or Steven Crowder's for that matter, to publicly denounce every fringe far right activist. Just like not every left politician/pundit/personality isn't obligated to denounce every single Antifa member. I believe most of them wouldn't, anyways.

It's fashionable for some to say stupid shit like that and walk around wearing Che Gueverra shirts . They are fools and don't represent most on the left . Tr.ump called racists fine people . No one twisted his words . He wasn't referring to people there to protest about statues . That wasn't even how the unite the right rally was promoted. The statues were just an excuse . They wanted to show out in force . But even if he was talking about people in support of the statues that's just as bad .Those statues are not about southern pride. They were put out years after the war ended . They were meant as a white power symbol. So as far as I'm concerned anyone who wants them to stay up is as bad as the Klan. Whether have a robe or not . The Southern generals weren't heros. They were horrible people fighting to keep others enslaved ( among other things) . And were traitors to their country who should have been hung for sedition.

 

[Dcdevon]

I'll look into this tomorrow. Have to go now. Nice talking to you.

I think we can all agree Tila Tequila is gross. @Autonomous you too? Let's build some bridges before the civil war 2: electric boogaloo starts.

Alright take care man . Nice talking to you as well.

 

[Dcdevon]

I'll look into this tomorrow. Have to go now. Nice talking to you.

I think we can all agree Tila Tequila is gross. @Autonomous you too? Let's build some bridges before the civil war 2: electric boogaloo starts.

There are no bridges to he built with @Autonomous she is a bigot and racist. She has in the past posted memes derogatory to black people , gays , Hispanics etc. She is the Alt right . Her former internet boyfriend was a bonifide white supremacist who was banned multiple times for racial insults . He liked to throw the n word around alot . She hates people who aren't white period . She now trys to say she isn't a bigot and doesn't post those types of memes lately ( only because she will be banned for good if she does) So newer members think she is just a conservative being picked on for her views. No she is a racist bitch who deserves to be treated like the piece of shit she is .

 

[Dcdevon]

I'll look into this tomorrow. Have to go now. Nice talking to you.

I think we can all agree Tila Tequila is gross. @Autonomous you too? Let's build some bridges before the civil war 2: electric boogaloo starts.

Another source I got data from is the CSIS report on far right violence. They are a non partisan think tank . But you really just need to watch the news . The synagogue attacks , the mosque burnings , random attacks on black people are all rar right extremist violence and terror . As well as the guy who mailed bombs Cesar Sayoc , the men who plotted to blow up an apparent complex full of Somali niceguy.s , the proud boys group , the atomwaffen division ( it's misspelled not going to bother correcting ) etc . And more importantly Christopher Wray Rudeman.s own FBI director admitted as much to Congress. The FBI also has admitted they do not charge all domestic terror cases as such because it's harder to prosecute. An example is Hanson the Coast guard officer. The Justice Department says he was plotting a terror attack with a hit list but he hasnt been charged with any terror charges. Now if there were a large amount of left wing terror attacks you know Faux news , Breitbart and the like would be all over it . And Tr.ump would tweet about it for days . The far right is becoming more violent . Ironically partly because they don't think Tr.ump has done enough to advance their cause . He told them what they wanted to hear during the election the same as he has all his supporters. But hasnt delivered. Although what they expected who knows? He dropped the Breitbart guy as soon as he became a liability .

 

[Dcdevon]

To get back on topic . Does anyone who votes Democratic have a candidate they are liking more than others. I have to admit I'm waiting for the dust to settle and for some to drop out lol . But I need to start paying closer attention at some point I know.

 

[Autonomous]

BAD, BAD CNN! BAD! ROFL!!!!