Extremely white....
Rights and Freedoms Is nationalism bad?
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You are lying or just plainly ignorant or both . Your country isn't any less racist than any other. Y'all just like to try and hold yourself to some bullshit standard like you are better than the rest of Euorope. And you are truly dumb if you think their are none in Western politics who don't secretly believe in white supremacy. And none of that is a counter argument to what I said . I said their are those in the Nationalist movement who are racist. I never said all. I never said that it was the official platform of any nationalist organization or political group. All you are doing is to use a term from my part of America ' talking out your ass and not saying shit '
I never said you were white or a white supremacist. You are a Nationalist either in denial about the darker elements of your movement or too stupid to see it .
France segregated it's niceguy.s from it's former colonies and Muslim niceguy.s into ghettos outside it's cities because it didn't want them to be seen. But this chick expects us to believe France is above racism ? GTFO with that bullshit. I try not to believe in stereotypes but seriously @Ninette you are really doing the arrogant French person one a good run for it's money .
You assimilated them by making them live in ghettoes. Ummm ok sure
You assimilated them by placing them as far from the city centers as possible, without reliable transportation to the city were most of the jobs are and putting them in communities were those that do not speak French have little opportunity to learn. Yeah y'all are doing a bang up job !
Outta sight outta mind....
That is the idea yep.
Y'all did such a good job assimilating them that a good bit of your terrorist attacks are committed by someone from those ghettoes. People who do to poverty and lack of opportunities end up in Fraces prison system were some recruiter radicalizes them and they then get out and commit attacks . Again y'all are doing a bang up job on that whole assimilation thing .
It wasn't meant as a counter argument. My counter argument was how the French have treated the niceguy.s and refugees as far as your claim that France is assimilating them . You still haven't reponded to that . So I'll ask again in a way that might be easier for you to comprehend. How is placing people in ghettoes far from jobs and most services , with little access to French language courses assimilation? And if some of those people then become radicalized ( those that are Muslim anyway) and turn against France how is that assimilation? You aren't very well assimilated when you decide a society hates you and you then attack it . That concept isn't an American one btw . Your own government has admitted there is a problem.
And you still have violent racist groups attacking others based on where they are from , their religion or color of skin . And these groups are far right nationalists. The same as in the U S , U.K , Germany, Finland etc . Your country is no different.
As a matter if fact @Ninette the Christ Church shooter listed in his manifesto Renaud Camus as one of his influences. He sited Camus 'Grand Replacement ' idea as central to his ideology. When asked white race these imm.igrants were replacing he replied' I suppose the white one ' the classical Euoropean one . Others have cited Jean Raspail as their inspiration for violence. He has stated that only armed resistance can combat the invasion of non white ' colonization' . Le Penn btw is a friend of his . So your idea of American extremism infecting Euorope is bullshit. A case can be made actually that French extremism is infecting others . When they chanted ' we shall not be replaced ' in Charlottesville that sounds a lot like Camus and Raspails theories. And it is because they all think the same and feed off each other. And there are excuse makers in every country just like you . Same shit different languages.
None of what you are saying means anything. My point is and always has been that there is a bad part to Nationalism one rooted in hatred and fear of anyone of a different race or religion or country. You have said nothing to counter that just tried to deflect and give nonsense arguments that have nothing to do with my central point. It doesn't matter what type of programs France has , it doesn't matter if talking about race is taboo , it doesn't matter if you have a false idea of how your society functions. You have in France violent white Nationalists who hate those who are not white and that has been a part of French Nationalism for generations. The same as everywhere else in the western world . You have said nothing and given no evidence to the contrary. At the end of the day those same Nationalists you are defending look down on you , and hate you , and don't care that you may have been born in France . Because you don't look like them . Keep on being a puppet though it's a free world.
Sorry to step in. Nationalism is bad in any form. I don't want to twist and use words like data to support me. But when the words like nationalism are used to convey pride of the nation, or waving of flag or solidarity or supporting some movement, it is patriotism.
Almost all countries face it, breed it, consciously or subconsciously encourage it, in its disguised form even most embrace it.
Almost all countries face it, breed it, consciously or subconsciously encourage it, in its disguised form even most embrace it.
I agree that Nationalism is bad in any form. I have focused on the more virulent parts of it because it is interesting to watch some try and defend it .Or as @Ninette chooses to do act like it doesn't exist.
I mean no disrespect to you @Dcdevon or any other poster out here. Beauty is that all of us get our thoughts across
But all embrace for a country, and flag and anthem is pure patriotism. Many try and paint and beautify the word nationalism.
the root of the problem is education and education cleansing. Education - a Large don't care to study and thus I blame education to believe, embrace, propagate conspiracy theories. The education system: on the other hand, does not ever teach the generation that is growing up on the dark past of their own country and culture. It is all whitewashed.
Only one country in my mind (I am apologizing if there are more that I am ignorant off) makes its current generation aware of their mistakes. Talk to a German about World War and even a 20 yr Old German feels guilty about it. They carry that conscience to not let history repeat. When an Educational system, systematically cleanses all of the past as "glory of the nation", all feel entitled and feel others owe them. And then the conversation of how they have been God's gift to this state of affairs rumbles on.
PS - I think I should clarify I am not German, all I know is "Du Hast" as that as a good song.
But all embrace for a country, and flag and anthem is pure patriotism. Many try and paint and beautify the word nationalism.
the root of the problem is education and education cleansing. Education - a Large don't care to study and thus I blame education to believe, embrace, propagate conspiracy theories. The education system: on the other hand, does not ever teach the generation that is growing up on the dark past of their own country and culture. It is all whitewashed.
Only one country in my mind (I am apologizing if there are more that I am ignorant off) makes its current generation aware of their mistakes. Talk to a German about World War and even a 20 yr Old German feels guilty about it. They carry that conscience to not let history repeat. When an Educational system, systematically cleanses all of the past as "glory of the nation", all feel entitled and feel others owe them. And then the conversation of how they have been God's gift to this state of affairs rumbles on.
PS - I think I should clarify I am not German, all I know is "Du Hast" as that as a good song.
I have no problem with patriotism. I'm proud to be an American. But when that patriotism turns to hatred and violence that is what I have a problem with. It's one thing to wave a flag and say your country and culture is great. It is another to point at another human being and say they are less than, because they don't look like me. They aren't from here . They have a different religion. They have a different skin color. And I think far to often Nationalism is used as an excuse for that type if hatred. They say we just want to protect our culture, but when they are talking about those they think want to take it it's always people of color. They use words like invaders , colonizers etc . And politicians use that fear and hatred to their advantage. Those are the things I have a problem with. And far to often people call their hateful retoric and actions patriotism. America first was used by the KKK before Trum.p and the Kian carried an American flag before the stars and bars.
I think you are right about the education aspect though . And I remember after 911 some were critical of Germany not putting combat soldiers on the ground. I personally thought they if any country had a reason to give logistical support and not put troops in combat it was the Germans and those in America who complained were ignorant.
Nationalism does have a bad connotation because at the core; nationalism means your country is superior. A lot of people in the United States claim that the USA is the best and this mentality is when you go from patriotism to nationalism.
