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Vey said:
Religion is based on faith and not on proof. Logically, this implies that, if God exists, he is indifferent to humanity or has chosen to obscure his presence. Either way, he would be unlikely to cooperate in scientific studies that seek to test his existence :) The aim of science is not to open a door to infinite wisdom but to set a limit to infinite error. Prayer might “heal” the soul, but not cure the cancer, I suppose.

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Religion and faith are 2 completely separate things that people often think are one in the same. Religion is 100% man made and has all mans flaws inherent in it.
If you were to take religion out of the equation, how much death, destruction and suffering would leave this earth along with it?
 
Vey said:
Religion is based on faith and not on proof. Logically, this implies that, if God exists, he is indifferent to humanity or has chosen to obscure his presence. Either way, he would be unlikely to cooperate in scientific studies that seek to test his existence :) The aim of science is not to open a door to infinite wisdom but to set a limit to infinite error. Prayer might “heal” the soul, but not cure the cancer, I suppose.

You're welcome :) my pleasure
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Scientific facts means nothing as they are only based on the tested subject. Scientific fact is an terminology to reassure the public but yet a myth in itself. There is no prove to disprove every miracle that happens in the world. From how the simple fact that boy David survived in the jungle with pratically no face to the many people who have walked away from horrific situations without a scratch. Some say luck , some say miracles. Yet to be proven as any.
 
D7ve67 said:
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Religion and faith are 2 completely separate things that people often think are one in the same. Religion is 100% man made and has all mans flaws inherent in it.
If you were to take religion out of the equation, how much death, destruction and suffering would leave this earth along with it?
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Ooh seriously , a quote fae the biggest bigot walking . I suppose what they quote for him is pc D xxx
 
D7ve67 said:
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Religion and faith are 2 completely separate things that people often think are one in the same. Religion is 100% man made and has all mans flaws inherent in it.
If you were to take religion out of the equation, how much death, destruction and suffering would leave this earth along with it?
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True. 2 words often confused because people think there is a similarity in their meanings. Trust and the means by which people universally exhibit their faith. But we need a few hours to talk about that...
 
The power of the mind is an amazing thing. People have invisioned their very own cells battling against cancer. Months later without medical intervention they are cancer free. The very belief in faith as in your own body to heal itself or having faith in a religious belief to help you. Either way miracles occur. A miracle is an unexplained occurrence when took away from the religious context.
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Power of the mind can certainly be amazing, but so can it's fragility. What is certainly powerful too though, is the human compulsion and instinct to make sense of and find meaning in things. Its why we tell stories, and invariably we do so retrospectively. Things happen as a series of disconnected events, upon which we have little or no control, and no means of foresight. We don't like this, it's anathema to us, so afterwards, we tell stories, to join them up and show how they all made perfect sense or find a means to explain those that don't. The bible itself of course a collated example of loosely connected events and coincidences, dots joined up, gaps filled in, meaning found. Is it wrong? Who can really say, it's a story, it's in the eyes of the teller and the reader to decide.

As for the question of god and religion and faith itself though. Well, God as metaphor for the human condition, and faith the simple act of believing in something, in each other, the need to be more than just meat and a collective greater than the sum of its parts, for want of a better word, to have a soul, is that such a bad thing? Religion as a doctrine for people to live alongside one another, to love and to forgive and be kinder to one another, to nurture that collective spirit and be better than ourselves, is that so bad? I don't think it is.

But religion as a literal truth, magic man in the sky and all that? Nah, not for me, and is proven over and over again, a recipe for disaster. Makes a good story though.
 
Vey said:
When you work with mind power, I don't think you can create miracles. It's the subconscious and mind power working to help you create the outcome or the result that you want. You won’t start to fly, you won’t raise the dead, working with your mind power. Cancer is odd stuff, being a complex relationship between external influence and internal systemic dysfunction. Our DNA is a code that we can change and “upgrade” by choice. Science doesn't work in absolutes when discussing systems, because the universe is too complex for that. I respect the others opinions, but, as far as I’m concerned, I tend to trust more in the principle of “minimum astonishment”. Thanks for the input, it was nice :)
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If not for the Wright brothers using their mind power to the best of their ability the introduction of flight may have been somewhat delayed. But hey it's a complex world
 
Religion was spoiled for me as a young teen when the pastor was sleeping with a member of the congregation. Maybe I shouldn't say religion was spoiled for me because of that event perhaps I just should say attending church was spoiled at that point. Personally for me I have had years where I believe in the higher power but there have also been many years where I do not. So perhaps I'm caught somewhere in between not knowing what I believe.
 
PumpkinPie said:
Religion was spoiled for me as a young teen when the pastor was sleeping with a member of the congregation. Maybe I shouldn't say religion was spoiled for me because of that event perhaps I just should say attending church was spoiled at that point. Personally for me I have had years where I believe in the higher power but there have also been many years where I do not. So perhaps I'm caught somewhere in between not knowing what I believe.
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I can relate to that. Most people are brought up with some sort of belief system. Through life we consistly fight between wanting there to be something and knowing there maybe nothing.
 
Absolem said:
What if i were to tell you I believe Jesus is God?
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You're allowed :) But...The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that he did not proclaim that he is God.
 
Dcdevon said:
I agree. I think there may be something more than ourselves. But I don't buy the he or she is called this. And if you follow this you will get a reward when you die. A merciful good doesn't kill children with cancer. Or allow some idiot to put on a vest and blow up a market square etc. Religion is man made and nothing man makes can be perfect.
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God didn't create cancer and all that. Look at the Devil
 
Regardless how it started, Religion has evolved over time and now is primarily based on fear, the fear of one's own mortality. The arrogant human species believes we are something special and this one life simply CAN NOT be all there is. We do not want to believe, when life's vale descends, our existence ends. Fear is a powerful motivator. We want, if not our life, at least our consciousness to continue existing after the body's life span is reached so because us humans are so special, there simply has to be an after-life, right?

"I don't want to die. Life can't just end like that. There has to be more." < and thus was religion invented, spawned in the fear of of one's own mortality.

'Believe in God, follow the teachings and live forever. ' If you believe the PR, the deities love everyone and we all know, love is unconditional. If the deity truly did love everyone, why does admission to eternity need to be conditional on beliefs? So, either the teachings are lies or the promises are and possibly both. I call that blackmail as it's hardly the method that a 'merciful and loving' deity would employ. It's actually contract law, (offer and acceptance) and that makes Religion a business.

Religion began as a handy way to explain the unexplainable in a time of ignorance. It has evolved into a crutch for the fearful to lean on.

This life is all you get. Enjoy it while you can. One thing about this life, no one gets out alive. :)
 
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