Like Auto does ??? You still don't get it...
Partisan Republicans and balls
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30 proud boys have been arrested across the country for violent acts . 3 people's were just convicted in Federal court of traveling to Charlottesville and to California to attack pro left protesters. A scuffle broke out tonight when tr.ump supporters tried to take a sign out of a protesters hand outside the Cincinnati rally. Here in DC Tr.ump supporters attacked a man burning the flag . Which is a protected form of exercising our first amendment rights. Don't act like it's only Antifa that is violent.
Contrary to what some like @GamerGirl92 think because Tr.ump tells them to. Antifa is not a structured organization. They do not have real leadership. They are a bunch of loosely affiliated groups that come together ad hoc to protest. Nor are they funded by George Soros. So no they do not literally fit the definition of a terrorist group. But attomwaffen division does . No one is saying they should be labeled a terrorist group though. Hmmm wonder why?
And let's not forget no one in Antifa has been linked to murder. But those on the right have. The murder in Charlottesville, the mass shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue, the man who shot two black people outside a Kroger's , a man traveled to NY and killed a man he said because he was black and there are more . And you have Cesar saroc a serial bomber, the Coast Guard officer arrested for weapons who was planning an attack, a Sheriff's son arrested for burning a black church etc, etc but you want to talk about Antifa throwing some water bottles @GamerGirl92 ? Ok
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The Proud Boys are a horrible group as well now, but even so, that doesnt give anyone the right to assault them. No one on either side should be assaulting anyone. Both groups claim to want change and want to better the country. Great. Then sit down and have a discussion like adults rather than assaulting others like immature children
That's all true . But why do you consider Antifa a terrorist group , but not the Proud Boys? And why not these other groups that have actually killed people? Because you feel it's only terror if it's directed at the left . Because that's what the right tells you to think. And since the Proud Boys also assault people they aren't victims. It you live by violence you don't get to pull a victim card because you are outnumbered in a city that opposes your views. If the situation is reversed and they have Antifa outnumbered they would attack as well.
So I guess according to @GamerGirl92 plotting violent attacks and traveling to commit them doesn't make you a terrorist, neither does stockpiling weapons and planned an attack , mailing bombs, plotted to attack and bomb a majority Muslim town , plotting to attack a apartment complexes with a large number of Somali immigran.ts doesn't either. Or actually killing someone. But if you throw a punch at someone on the right OMG you literally fit the definition of a terrorist organization.
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Correction I meant you only think it's terror if it's directed at the right .
I never said that I didnt. I think that they, along with Antofa, initially started with good intentions. Piss poor leadership in the Proud Boys caused all sorts of issues. Antifa is not as organized as it was in the past, luckily. If they were, I can almost guarantee there would be much more serious crimes being committed against people other than just, "throwing waterbottles" as you put it.
And no, terror is terror regardless of who it is directed too. There are horrible disgusting people on the right, there are horrible disgusting people on the left. No side is innocent in this
Antifa was never organized. That's the point of it. A lot of them consider themselves anarchists. That's contrary to central leadership. They do message and communicate with each other in some form I'm sure but there is no one person directing them . Proud Boys never had good intentions. One of the things you have to do to be a full fledged member is fight Antifa. That has been a rule since they were founded.They are and always have been nothing but a right wing hate group. But Antifa lack of leadership is why labelling them a terrorist group is a slippery slope type situation. You may have some in a group like Rose City Antifa in Portland who want to fight and break things. You may have others who only want to blow whistles and chant .It makes it too easy to investigate and infringe on the rights of some who have not committed any crimes . It's just a modern day version of Cointel.
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Then why specifically say Antifa should be designated terrorists? If you know the Proud Boys are just as bad ? But you didn't say both groups are terrorists. You only mentioned the left leaning one .
In addition there are no domestic terror law's in our country. That is why when white nationalist are arrested for terror offenses they are not charged with actual terrorism. The only thing designating Antifa a terrorist group would do ,is make it easier for the government to investigate them. Because of the patriot act and other laws. It would be be used as a form of government sanctioned harrasment of Tru.mp opponents.And that's exactly what Tr.ump and Barr want . So if you are in support of that you are not in support of protecting freedom as y'all say . But just the opposite.
Both groups are disgusting and should both be considered as terrorist organizations imo. They're both whiny immature 'adults' who cant stand an opinion other than their own
I agree with most of that except the terrorist part in the case of Antifa, and as much as I dislike the proud boys I'm not sure if they deserve that label either, although I'm inclined to say they would more than Antifa.
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Republicans need to grow some, if only to stop the impending socialist takeover.
Get back to work, congress!
Damned overpaid ball-less whiners!
Get back to work, congress!
Damned overpaid ball-less whiners!
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The republicans just got cojones!!!!
Wow, never thought I'd see the day. Heh.
The republicans just got cojones!!!!
Wow, never thought I'd see the day. Heh.
Is this thread nothing but hate for one side or the other?
I tend to lean both ways on most issues, and I would consider myself an independent rather than a republican or a democrat. However, branding someone as automatically wrong just because they are another side is, frankly, pointless and does nothing to solve problems. Now, not all the ideas the founding fathers had were good ones, and heck, most of them aren't even relevant today. However, they founded a country that implicitly works on the principle that compromise is the best way to govern. I don't believe that this is the fastest or most effective way to do things, but if its done properly then it could be the best way. Looking at politics these days makes me sick. Instead of compromising, or even being reasonable with each other, both parties have resorted to the equivalent of "Mud in your eye", and disgusting and useless arguing and delay tactics. If they learned to be less stubborn and work together, maybe something would actually get done in this country. But, until then, as a country we're screwed.
But, I am also aware that I'm just dreaming, and this is something that likely won't happen in my time.
I tend to lean both ways on most issues, and I would consider myself an independent rather than a republican or a democrat. However, branding someone as automatically wrong just because they are another side is, frankly, pointless and does nothing to solve problems. Now, not all the ideas the founding fathers had were good ones, and heck, most of them aren't even relevant today. However, they founded a country that implicitly works on the principle that compromise is the best way to govern. I don't believe that this is the fastest or most effective way to do things, but if its done properly then it could be the best way. Looking at politics these days makes me sick. Instead of compromising, or even being reasonable with each other, both parties have resorted to the equivalent of "Mud in your eye", and disgusting and useless arguing and delay tactics. If they learned to be less stubborn and work together, maybe something would actually get done in this country. But, until then, as a country we're screwed.
But, I am also aware that I'm just dreaming, and this is something that likely won't happen in my time.
Nah they just pulled a political stunt that changes nothing. Besides if you are arguing process you have already lost .