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[Gare2]

Hello everyone i know this is a religion chat so I will just ask you what going on exactly, right now I have alot of questioned for alot things, but the first question that comes in my mind is , what the meaning of my life from the start if i gone die , because of that I lost my interesting in everything, even if the food i eat was from 5 stars restaurant , and my bed was in the tallest building in the world, that all don't matter if i gone die in any second , i look for answers to that in too long now .

And some one ask me one day , if i believe in god ? , he tell me that will make me see around me and and open my eyes .

Until know i don't believe in God or anything else, i want to know if this can really change my thinking about my life or not , so if anyone thinks that can you please tell me, and (prefer too be female too ^v^ kidding ) .

And if you don't think so tell me why too i really want to hear the reasons.

 

[Stanthropical]

Which God?

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

There are over 2500 deities that people believe in all around the world

 

[RabidGuineapig]

We as humans are naturally fascinated with the concept of "purpose", something seemingly not found in other animals. This purpose we seek can not seem to be found in this natural world, you look up into the night sky and know that it's mainly just an infinite void filled with rocks and gasses colliding with each other. As massive and significant as it all seems, there are no answers to be found out there.
So are we to believe that evolution simply made up our sense of purpose as a means of preservation in our species? When you look at ants or bees they seem to have such a sense, they are seemingly born with complete knowledge of how to live and work for the colony or hive. Is that really "purpose" though or is is just their DNA programmed to carry out tasks until they die?
And if that's the case, why are we humans seemingly so lost in all of this? When we look at the nature surrounding us we find so much structure and "purpose" in everything in nature. The plants provide oxygen so the animals can breathe so they can excrete carbon dioxide so the plants, in turn, can produce more oxygen. The sun provides more sustenance for the plants while gravity keeps the atmosphere as well as everything not embedded in the soil from flying off into space randomly, not to mention keeping the planets in perfect orbit and synchronization.
But what does it all mean? Are we to believe it's all a result of random particles flying off and interacting as they physically and chemically do from the big bang until today where this one lonely planet has things swimming and crawling around on it?
Perhaps, but where did this "Big Bang" even come from? Up until recent times it was believed that existence, or even time itself was infinite backwards and forwards but the general consensus currently is that not only is did the universe have a beginning but time itself did too! This was discovered by people much smarter than me who can observe the effects things like gravity and light have on time.
For many believers such as myself that sounds a whole lot like "In the beginning, God..." These days it seems that the concept of the Big bang is a threat to any kind of creation theory but I believe the exact opposite. Again, someone much smarter than me would say "I do believe in the big bang, I'm just pretty sure I know who banged it"
I hope this can put some things in perspective for you or anyone else reading it. I would be glad to answer any questions to the best of my ability as I could go on and on and on about why I believe what I do ranging from historical and scientific evidence, the resurrection of Jesus, how DNA works, etc. But for now I've already made this post a giant TL : DR for many people.

 

[BasicBastard]

- If there was truly only one god, there would be only 1 religion.
- An atheist and a religious person are basically the same. The only difference between the 2 is whereby the atheist doesn't believe in ANY gods and the religious person just one less.

Maybe this will make you think about your life:
We are on a rock travelling around 1 of 100 billion stars. Our species is 1 of over half a billion that have ever existed. Our chances of being born are about 1 in 400 trillion. You're not special, but you are fucking lucky. Enjoy your amazing life. You'll never exist again.
- Ricky Gervais

To which I add this- Unfortunately humans are wired to believe in god. Evolution has programmed us to avoid death at all costs. Since almost every religion promises a paradise in an afterlife, we are attracted to claims that soften or erase our fear of death. Believing in an afterlife is a great option that appears on the surface to continue our existence. This belief helps many cope with the fear of death. Religions teach people to look forward to this afterlife, which will be better than this life. So basically the religious are waiting to die.
Abolishing this belief requires you to be intellectually honest with yourself. It's not easy to admit that our consciousness ends with our death. But doing so should add value to the life you have and stress the importance of enjoying every moment.

 

[BasicBastard]

We as humans are naturally fascinated with the concept of "purpose", something seemingly not found in other animals. This purpose we seek can not seem to be found in this natural world, you look up into the night sky and know that it's mainly just an infinite void filled with rocks and gasses colliding with each other. As massive and significant as it all seems, there are no answers to be found out there.
So are we to believe that evolution simply made up our sense of purpose as a means of preservation in our species? When you look at ants or bees they seem to have such a sense, they are seemingly born with complete knowledge of how to live and work for the colony or hive. Is that really "purpose" though or is is just their DNA programmed to carry out tasks until they die?
And if that's the case, why are we humans seemingly so lost in all of this? When we look at the nature surrounding us we find so much structure and "purpose" in everything in nature. The plants provide oxygen so the animals can breathe so they can excrete carbon dioxide so the plants, in turn, can produce more oxygen. The sun provides more sustenance for the plants while gravity keeps the atmosphere as well as everything not embedded in the soil from flying off into space randomly, not to mention keeping the planets in perfect orbit and synchronization.
But what does it all mean? Are we to believe it's all a result of random particles flying off and interacting as they physically and chemically do from the big bang until today where this one lonely planet has things swimming and crawling around on it?
Perhaps, but where did this "Big Bang" even come from? Up until recent times it was believed that existence, or even time itself was infinite backwards and forwards but the general consensus currently is that not only is did the universe have a beginning but time itself did too! This was discovered by people much smarter than me who can observe the effects things like gravity and light have on time.
For many believers such as myself that sounds a whole lot like "In the beginning, God..." These days it seems that the concept of the Big bang is a threat to any kind of creation theory but I believe the exact opposite. Again, someone much smarter than me would say "I do believe in the big bang, I'm just pretty sure I know who banged it"
I hope this can put some things in perspective for you or anyone else reading it. I would be glad to answer any questions to the best of my ability as I could go on and on and on about why I believe what I do ranging from historical and scientific evidence, the resurrection of Jesus, how DNA works, etc. But for now I've already made this post a giant TL : DR for many people.

To believe that some god created the vastness of the universe on the 1st day then spent the next 6 days creating Earth is human arrogance.

How could there be the 1st 3 days when the Sun wasn't created til the 4th day?

Already in less than 1/2 of the 1st page of the bible we have inconsistencies and impossibilities that are from the knowledge of the writers from the time it was written, and sure doesn't seem to be the words from an omniscient being.

There are pages after pages where inconsistencies thrive. Where one thing is said that is completely opposite from what was said earlier.

A book that allows and encourages having, buying, and beating slaves. That allows a man to slay his wife if she is not a virgin, and to go take and possess virgins for himself. That forbids women from talking in church, expressing opinion, or teaching. That allows you to take disobedient children and bash their heads against stones. That bans you from eating shellfish or wearing blended fabrics.

This is your 'go to' book for your morality and beliefs? You reading its stories and believing them as fact is the same as if you read The Lord of the Rings and therefore believe in Hobbits!

Therefor if you are trying to prove that god exists there are 2 very important things to remember. 1) Reading the bible is NOT valid research. 2) "I feel him in my heart" is NOT valid data.

The bible was written reflecting the beliefs and practices of the times it which it was written, about 500 years ago. At a time when beliefs that the stars in the sky were gods was all but a dead belief, and there was a void in a religion to follow. Many religions were pushed during these times, and stories with virgin births, miracles, crucifixions, and resurrections were a dime a dozen. Having a large religion gives those who create it a lot of power. The bible was written for this purpose of controlling power. It was written to promote Christianity... not to document or verify Christ as an actual person in history.

 

[SexyAsianBitch]

By religion you just mean the Abrahamic religions. There are many many more religions out there. As stated previously, over 2500 different deities are worshipped by people all over the world

 

[Karen59]

- If there was truly only one god, there would be only 1 religion.
- An atheist and a religious person are basically the same. The only difference between the 2 is whereby the atheist doesn't believe in ANY gods and the religious person just one less.

smile ... If there was truly only one God and She wanted people to worship Her then there would only be one religion and it wouldn't be atheism. If that God didn't care what people thought, then there would still be thousands of religions.

 

[Karen59]

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To which I add this- Unfortunately humans are wired to believe in god. Evolution has programmed us to avoid death at all costs. Since almost every religion promises a paradise in an afterlife, we are attracted to claims that soften or erase our fear of death. Believing in an afterlife is a great option that appears on the surface to continue our existence. This belief helps many cope with the fear of death. Religions teach people to look forward to this afterlife, which will be better than this life. So basically the religious are waiting to die.
Abolishing this belief requires you to be intellectually honest with yourself. It's not easy to admit that our consciousness ends with our death. But doing so should add value to the life you have and stress the importance of enjoying every moment.

No, if evolution has programmed us to avoid death at all costs, then we are not wired to believe in God! The truth is that we are not wired to avoid death at all costs. Many sacrifice their lives, albeit reluctantly, to protect their families, their society, their freedom, their rights or their Religion. We are all going to leave this life as we know it and that knowledge does make some religions more attractive than others, but that is just a tiny part of the attraction of religious belief. Religious belief can also add value to our lives and enhance our enjoyment of every moment.

Intellectual honesty cannot abolish a belief, but it can grant us understanding of where our beliefs originated and whether they are helpful or harmful. That applies to Atheism just as much as other Religions.

 

[RabidGuineapig]

To believe that some god created the vastness of the universe on the 1st day then spent the next 6 days creating Earth is human arrogance.

How could there be the 1st 3 days when the Sun wasn't created til the 4th day?

Already in less than 1/2 of the 1st page of the bible we have inconsistencies and impossibilities that are from the knowledge of the writers from the time it was written, and sure doesn't seem to be the words from an omniscient being.

There are pages after pages where inconsistencies thrive. Where one thing is said that is completely opposite from what was said earlier.

A book that allows and encourages having, buying, and beating slaves. That allows a man to slay his wife if she is not a virgin, and to go take and possess virgins for himself. That forbids women from talking in church, expressing opinion, or teaching. That allows you to take disobedient children and bash their heads against stones. That bans you from eating shellfish or wearing blended fabrics.

This is your 'go to' book for your morality and beliefs? You reading its stories and believing them as fact is the same as if you read The Lord of the Rings and therefore believe in Hobbits!

Therefor if you are trying to prove that god exists there are 2 very important things to remember. 1) Reading the bible is NOT valid research. 2) "I feel him in my heart" is NOT valid data.

The bible was written reflecting the beliefs and practices of the times it which it was written, about 500 years ago. At a time when beliefs that the stars in the sky were gods was all but a dead belief, and there was a void in a religion to follow. Many religions were pushed during these times, and stories with virgin births, miracles, crucifixions, and resurrections were a dime a dozen. Having a large religion gives those who create it a lot of power. The bible was written for this purpose of controlling power. It was written to promote Christianity... not to document or verify Christ as an actual person in history.

I've heard all of these refutations so many times. Let me go down the list and try to explain as best I can why I still believe, although admittedly I can not answer every question or point you've made as I simply haven't done enough research on it yet. but first let me say that I do not live in a bubble, nor was I "brought up" in a Christian household to be "Indoctrinated" by it. My views are subject to change based on the information I am given and am not content with living by "Blind Faith".

First off, I'm pretty sure the "days" that are being used in the genesis are units of time not specifically associated with the earth's rotation to the sun. Many theorize that it might not even be traditional 24 hour days although I don't really see that. It's possible that God created "Days" before he synchronized the solar system to to them.
Also, The words weren't "Written by God" but inspired by him and written by people.

In the Bible the word "Slave" was used to mean more or less someone who owes a debt to someone and must work it off because they can't pay it themselves, far from what we in our modern culture would consider slaves like the ones working farms or even sex slavery that happens all around the world. When the bible says "If you beat your slave within an inch of their life there will be no punishment" that's because they are already beaten beyond the ability to do any more work and are let go.

Yes the Bible says women may not preach in church, I'm not 100% sure why and I admit that. I will say however that that doesn't mean women are regarded as "Lesser" in the Bible, not at all, for starters, Several of the books in the Bible are Written by women! Psalms for instance, one of the most notable books in the old testament. Another point I'd like to make is regarding the resurrection of Jesus in which he told the women to testify that he has indeed risen! In that time, women's opinions were considered lesser by the general population, that is true but that doesn't mean it was right and even Jesus knew this. He trusted the women to testify when he knew that society would be skeptical.

As far as the food restrictions, I'm pretty sure it's a health thing as well as a spiritual cleanliness thing which was heavily enforced back in the old testament days. As someone who is kosher by choice, I understand why a lot of the things God said not to eat are simply not good for you. I mean, first of all when you really think about it, pork is gross anyway. Shellfish are basically just insects under water. I see it as a "you are what you eat" kind of thing and you want your body to be made of good things instead of animals that are nasty and eat rotten corpses and stuff.

Your understanding of where the Bible even came from seems to be lacking. It was not written 500 years ago, it's not even originally one book but a collection of scrolls and scribes written over several millenniums. From what I understand they are not even in chronological order, they have been put into the book, the Bible, by people who wanted it all to be in a convenient place and published for everyone and translated into as many languages as they could.

It is sadly very true that religion is used for corrupt people to gain power over the common people. If you look at the history of Catholicism you'll understand how they abused the scriptures in order to basically scam people out of their money by making up a sort of "Purgatory tax" that people can pay to help their deceased loved ones who are spending time in purgatory get to heaven faster, none of this is even biblical at all!

Finally I want to say that Jesus was an actual person who existed, 90% of the worlds historians, both Christian and otherwise are in agreement and many even find the evidence for his resurrection to be compelling. You are 100% correct in saying that reading the Bible is not historical proof and could have just as easily been written by some wacko on drugs, however Historical evidence will show that we have more than enough evidence to support that many of the things written in the Bible are based on real world events, especially the events surrounding Jesus, Pontius Pilot, the leader who sentenced Jesus to be crucified, The apostilles, and even shortly after Jesus' death many writings by people, both believers and otherwise claiming either they have seen it with their own eyes or skeptics complaining about "Those wacky Christians" and saying things like "Wait, didn't we just kill that guy? what on earth are they going on about?"

So, I am far from knowing everything there is to know about this subject, I am still learning and I expect to still be learning until I die. There are much, MUCH smarter people than me who have spent their entire lives studying and analyzing the scriptures, translations, historical documents, scientific evidence, etc. If we knew everything there was to know I suspect there would be no need for debates like this, nor would there be any doubt at all. At least, I'd like to think that but you know how people are, Flat-earthers, covid deniers, anti-vaxers, etc. people will be people.

NOW I KNOW that I have not touched on everything you have pointed out and I know that what I have said regarding the topics I have touched on may not be satisfactory answers to you. Like I said, I don't know everything there is to know on these subjects. However, I am more than willing to learn and change my views on things as I continue to gain knowledge. For instance, I admit 100% that I don't know anything about Slaying your wife if she's not a virgin, or dashing your children against the stones.

That is why I encourage you to give me some of the bible verses you are referring to so that I can see them for myself and look into the context surrounding them. My Goal here is not to "Convert" or "Indoctrinate" anyone but rather have a discussion on these topics so that I, you and anyone else who might be reading this might be able to make more informed decisions about what to believe because in the end, arguing gets us no where and only causes more confusion and bitterness. If we could all learn to be respectful and treat each other like human beings who have a brain in our skulls then we might become closer to figuring out this world and the nature of it and where it all came from.

One more thing. I'll be honest, After all is said and done, I, as a Christian believe that the absolute most important thing is what Jesus said to his disciples during the sermon on the mount.
Love God with all your heart and love others as you love yourself.

Even if you don't believe in God I think that second part is absolutely vital. Treat others the way you want to be treated, The golden rule.

 

[BasicBastard]

In saying the bible was written about 500 years ago, I ws referring to what King James produced, which was written to please Parlaments needs to have something to push Christianity, not validate the mythical Jesus. There were many well known scribes who were alive during the times of Jesus. How many of them wrote of a man named Jesus, or any of his miracles? Answer- not a single one!

The bible does bring in real people into its storyline who supposedly interact with Jesus. This was done to give the appearance that Jesus also was real. Example 1) King Herod was a real king whose life is well documented. Nowhere in his written history did he ever commit a mass infantcide in an attempt to kill the Jesus baby except for the bible. Surely if a king truly did make an edict to kill every male baby it would have been written about by at least one of these scribes.

Example 2) John the Baptist was a real person. He lived approximately 300 years after the Jesus years. He also was a great leader with many followers. So someone decided to blend their lives together to take advantage of his influence.

Example 3) King David was real, the story of him slaying Goliath is only in the bible. The writers have stories where real people interact with Jesus to make people think that such a person existed, with no verifiable evidence to validate him as an actual person. There is no correspondence that can be attributed to be from Jesus or in Jesus hand. There are no artifacts that can be verified as belonging to Jesus.

Grrrr... I'm so pissed. I had written a lengthy reply from this point on but when I clikked 'post reply' it said that I had to log in. I guess I was randomly logged out. When I logged in, I was brought back to the above paragraph, nothing that I had written after was retained. Ohh well, whatever. So instead of a complete rewrite from what I can recall, I will just state a truncated version that hopefully gets my reply across.

The bible you believe in was written in a time when 95% or more of the population was illiterate, education was for the ruling class. Most people were polytheists, believing in mythical gods, superstition, and magic. There were no scientific explanations for natural events, everything was an action of the gods. What was written then was passed down and rewritten hundreds of times in various interpretations by unknown authors for hundreds of years. Full of contradictions, inaccuracies, impossibilities, and lies by the time that King James was tasked to write a version that promoted Christianity, not document the history of Christ as an actual person. All of this makes me logically believe that such a person never existed.

Most of what is attributed to Jesus is identical to the mythical gods Horus and Mithras who were worshipped 100s of years before Jesus. The whole story of his death and resurrection, which we know as Easter, is suspiciously related to Pagan beliefs. That his death and resurrection are celebrated in a 6 week window that is completely determined by the vernal equinox and the date of the full moon are following the Pagan beliefs of planting and regrowth. That Easter is very similar to the pagan goddess of fertility Ishtar.

The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke , and John were written as propaganda to promote Christianity. It is extremely doubtful that 4 men with Anglo names were actually in the desert of the holy land to be in Jesus gang of 12. And the books of Mark, Luke, and John are 75% Matthew reworded as to appear to come from a different person. Again more 'witnesses' to Jesus as 4 is better than 1, strength in numbers. The epistles of Paul, another Anglo in Jesus gang, never refers to Jesus as a living being.

I CAN'T give evidence of something that never existed, in other words if something never existed there logically is no evidence of its non existence.

I CAN say as I stated above that the perfect holy book is so full of errors and inaccuracies that any god or savior proposed within its pages would not exist in reality.

That leaves the burden of proof to you to show verifiable evidence of this god and Jesus person. And that this evidence proves that it is your specific god out of the hundreds worshipped. Verifiable evidence other than from the bible. To use only the bible as your source of reference for evidence is the same as if I only use the Lord of the Rings as evidence that Hobbits are real.

When Jesus died it is said that the Earth shook and that the Sun went dark. There is nothing in the geologic or written history of Earth that there was such an earthquake or a solar eclipse at or near that time. Just as there is no geologic record of a world wide flood. It is also said that when he died that the dead of Galilee rose from their graves to walk the streets. That is pure fantasy on the level of a small scale zombie apocalypse.

I know that I can't convince a religious person any of this because all I have are reason and logic, and the religious are immune to both.

It's hard for a religious person to question what he has been told not to question. But if you are unwilling to question your own beliefs you don't know if you are following truth or lies. No amount of belief or blind faith makes something fact.

I will close with an observation and a fact. Christians believe that Jesus died and gave up his life for your sins. But he didn't stay dead, he came back to life 2 days later. That means that Jesus gave up his weekend for your sins.

Jesus NEVER said, "I love you"

~~ Peace

 

[BasicBastard]

By religion you just mean the Abrahamic religions. There are many many more religions out there. As stated previously, over 2500 different deities are worshipped by people all over the world

yes and I'm a Frisbeetarian, I believe that when I die that my soul will go up on my roof and refuse to come down

 

[BasicBastard]

I've heard all of these refutations so many times. Let me go down the list and try to explain as best I can why I still believe, although admittedly I can not answer every question or point you've made as I simply haven't done enough research on it yet. but first let me say that I do not live in a bubble, nor was I "brought up" in a Christian household to be "Indoctrinated" by it. My views are subject to change based on the information I am given and am not content with living by "Blind Faith".

First off, I'm pretty sure the "days" that are being used in the genesis are units of time not specifically associated with the earth's rotation to the sun. Many theorize that it might not even be traditional 24 hour days although I don't really see that. It's possible that God created "Days" before he synchronized the solar system to to them.
Also, The words weren't "Written by God" but inspired by him and written by people.

In the Bible the word "Slave" was used to mean more or less someone who owes a debt to someone and must work it off because they can't pay it themselves, far from what we in our modern culture would consider slaves like the ones working farms or even sex slavery that happens all around the world. When the bible says "If you beat your slave within an inch of their life there will be no punishment" that's because they are already beaten beyond the ability to do any more work and are let go.

Yes the Bible says women may not preach in church, I'm not 100% sure why and I admit that. I will say however that that doesn't mean women are regarded as "Lesser" in the Bible, not at all, for starters, Several of the books in the Bible are Written by women! Psalms for instance, one of the most notable books in the old testament. Another point I'd like to make is regarding the resurrection of Jesus in which he told the women to testify that he has indeed risen! In that time, women's opinions were considered lesser by the general population, that is true but that doesn't mean it was right and even Jesus knew this. He trusted the women to testify when he knew that society would be skeptical.

As far as the food restrictions, I'm pretty sure it's a health thing as well as a spiritual cleanliness thing which was heavily enforced back in the old testament days. As someone who is kosher by choice, I understand why a lot of the things God said not to eat are simply not good for you. I mean, first of all when you really think about it, pork is gross anyway. Shellfish are basically just insects under water. I see it as a "you are what you eat" kind of thing and you want your body to be made of good things instead of animals that are nasty and eat rotten corpses and stuff.

Your understanding of where the Bible even came from seems to be lacking. It was not written 500 years ago, it's not even originally one book but a collection of scrolls and scribes written over several millenniums. From what I understand they are not even in chronological order, they have been put into the book, the Bible, by people who wanted it all to be in a convenient place and published for everyone and translated into as many languages as they could.

It is sadly very true that religion is used for corrupt people to gain power over the common people. If you look at the history of Catholicism you'll understand how they abused the scriptures in order to basically scam people out of their money by making up a sort of "Purgatory tax" that people can pay to help their deceased loved ones who are spending time in purgatory get to heaven faster, none of this is even biblical at all!

Finally I want to say that Jesus was an actual person who existed, 90% of the worlds historians, both Christian and otherwise are in agreement and many even find the evidence for his resurrection to be compelling. You are 100% correct in saying that reading the Bible is not historical proof and could have just as easily been written by some wacko on drugs, however Historical evidence will show that we have more than enough evidence to support that many of the things written in the Bible are based on real world events, especially the events surrounding Jesus, Pontius Pilot, the leader who sentenced Jesus to be crucified, The apostilles, and even shortly after Jesus' death many writings by people, both believers and otherwise claiming either they have seen it with their own eyes or skeptics complaining about "Those wacky Christians" and saying things like "Wait, didn't we just kill that guy? what on earth are they going on about?"

So, I am far from knowing everything there is to know about this subject, I am still learning and I expect to still be learning until I die. There are much, MUCH smarter people than me who have spent their entire lives studying and analyzing the scriptures, translations, historical documents, scientific evidence, etc. If we knew everything there was to know I suspect there would be no need for debates like this, nor would there be any doubt at all. At least, I'd like to think that but you know how people are, Flat-earthers, covid deniers, anti-vaxers, etc. people will be people.

NOW I KNOW that I have not touched on everything you have pointed out and I know that what I have said regarding the topics I have touched on may not be satisfactory answers to you. Like I said, I don't know everything there is to know on these subjects. However, I am more than willing to learn and change my views on things as I continue to gain knowledge. For instance, I admit 100% that I don't know anything about Slaying your wife if she's not a virgin, or dashing your children against the stones.

That is why I encourage you to give me some of the bible verses you are referring to so that I can see them for myself and look into the context surrounding them. My Goal here is not to "Convert" or "Indoctrinate" anyone but rather have a discussion on these topics so that I, you and anyone else who might be reading this might be able to make more informed decisions about what to believe because in the end, arguing gets us no where and only causes more confusion and bitterness. If we could all learn to be respectful and treat each other like human beings who have a brain in our skulls then we might become closer to figuring out this world and the nature of it and where it all came from.

One more thing. I'll be honest, After all is said and done, I, as a Christian believe that the absolute most important thing is what Jesus said to his disciples during the sermon on the mount.
Love God with all your heart and love others as you love yourself.

Even if you don't believe in God I think that second part is absolutely vital. Treat others the way you want to be treated, The golden rule.

Hahaha!! I know this guy who's a flat earther and who believes that Bill Gates bought a huge swath of land where there will be no 5g installations. And he will only let people go there who will pay handsomely to escape the 5g human programming signals. I asked him why doesn't he just go to the underside of the flat earth? His response had nothing to do with falling off or being upside down, he said, "Because it's always dark"
Hard to argue with that!!

 

[BasicBastard]

smile ... If there was truly only one God and She wanted people to worship Her then there would only be one religion and it wouldn't be atheism. If that God didn't care what people thought, then there would still be thousands of religions.

Atheism isn't a religion or a belief... it is a conclusion that I came to after understanding that most religions are corrupt from within and self serving, and I don't wish to be in any of them.
But if I had to choose one, it would be along the lines of the beliefs of Native Americans, an Earth based religion. The Mother Earth is their god from where they came and their heaven that they will return to after death. The animal spirits are from where their strengths, weaknesses, and characteristics are derived.
Yes I do have some Native American in my bloodline.
Do you have any Native American in you? Would you like some?
(Sorry! I couldn't pass that up!)

 

[Karen59]

Atheism isn't a religion or a belief... it is a conclusion that I came to after understanding that most religions are corrupt from within and self serving, and I don't wish to be in any of them.
But if I had to choose one, it would be along the lines of the beliefs of Native Americans, an Earth based religion. The Mother Earth is their god from where they came and their heaven that they will return to after death. The animal spirits are from where their strengths, weaknesses, and characteristics are derived.
Yes I do have some Native American in my bloodline.
Do you have any Native American in you? Would you like some?
(Sorry! I couldn't pass that up!)

lol... I wouldn't pass it up either!

Atheism is the belief that there is no God and is a religion for many who insist on spreading that belief to others. Agnosticism is closer to the absence of belief. They don't care if there is a God or not, but believe that their choice won't affect them personally.

I don't believe that a religion can be corrupt or self serving. That is more a people thing, where people seek power and use religion to obtain it.That is separate from the value or validity of religious belief. Most religions teach that such corruption and ego is wrong.

I believe that people should examine their religious beliefs and retain those beliefs that bring them comfort or help them make sense of their lives and their society.